The RG3 Sucks - Knee Jerk Reaction Thread

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Rams most likely will cut him. His salary is too big in 2015 to justify keeping him.

if he's a cut, I would hope we would do our due diligence and speak with him. He would be the guy Id prefer to bring in and push RG3.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The only guy more injury prone than RG3?

Yeah I'd pass.

I am not saying dump rgiii just bring him in and have a camp battle. Not sure in 2015 you got many more QB choices.

[htownskinfan]

What RG3 is showing now is the same thing that were on his scouting reports coming out of college,but we all overlooked it.
Some examples from 4 different scouting reports:

1.Decision Making and Intangibles


Can play very hurried and frenetic at times, and his pocket presence is average at best. Doesn’t feel blindside pressure well, and takes a lot of hits and sacks and is prone to giving up fumbles because of backside pressure. Can be indecisive in deciding whether to scramble or find someone downfield.

However, he’s a very tough player who will make an attempt to keep his eye level downfield and stare down the gun-barrel even after getting hit a lot early in the game (see Oklahoma). Still inconsistent as an anticipation thrower, but he displays the willingness and ability to make stick throws over the middle of the field. Willingness and ability to attack deep forces defenses to cover 100 x 53.

2. “‘Everybody is just assuming because of the Heisman and the socks and all that bs. . . . they are ignoring a lot of bad tape that he’s had,’” one scout told McGinn. “‘I don’t think he has vision or pocket feel, which to me are the two most important components of quarterbacking. He’s just running around winging it. He’s [Michael] Vick, but not as good a thrower.’

“He has better arm action and is more accurate with his deep ball, but he’s not as good as Cam Newton,” another scout said. “As much as is written about his athleticism, his athleticism under duress in the pocket isn’t even close to Cam Newton’s. This guy, the only way he gets big plays with his feet is if he’s got a wide-open field and the sea opens for him. He’s got a little bit of a selfish streak, too. Everybody was laying on Cam, but for some reason this guy has become gloves off. He doesn’t treat anybody good.

3. Overall: Griffin does need work to become more consistent in his pocket presence. At the college level he has the speed to quickly jump outside the pocket and pick up yards, or outrun the defenders to gain a passing window. That will not be the case in the NFL.

If RG3 is to make a successful transition to the next level, learning to be a pocket passer first and runner second will be his biggest hurdle.

4. Weaknesses:
• Adequate height and bulk but not the prototype
• Must transition from spread to pro style system
• Is not accustomed to working from under center
• Raw in terms of reading and recognizing defenses
• Must learn to scan field / go through progressions
• Delivery and release point are too inconsistent
• Average pocket presence and is too eager to run
• Too many fumbles and must improve ball security
• Might have long-term health / durability concerns

[BaltimoreSkins]

I've said this before, with the money that has been invested at the skills position I think we can have vast improvements at the QB position with even a middle of the road starting QB.

Commenters note: That does not mean I think we have a fantastic o-line

[DynamiteRave]

I would let RG3 play but bring another QB for some serious competition at the starting position. I'm not sure if there are currently any "on the cusp" type of Qbs who are currently second string but could easily be a starter.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I would let RG3 play but bring another QB for some serious competition at the starting position. I'm not sure if there are currently any "on the cusp" type of Qbs who are currently second string but could easily be a starter.

Captain Kirk and Colt 45!
Edit: was joking. But if u took out the word easily....than...


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[calia]

Honestly, all this crap with the media is undermining my ability to stay a fan. I have followed this team religiously for 40 years. But it is becoming intolerable.

Does anyone think that anyone associated with this team is having fun anymore? Football is supposed to be fun -- with all the sniping, it seems that with 6 games left that folks are just trying to get through the season. I thought that enduring that kind of a season last year was bad -- but this feels worse given the re-start we tried with a new coach.

Everyone STFU and play football.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by calia

Honestly, all this crap with the media is undermining my ability to stay a fan. I have followed this team religiously for 40 years. But it is becoming intolerable.

Does anyone think that anyone associated with this team is having fun anymore? Football is supposed to be fun -- with all the sniping, it seems that with 6 games left that folks are just trying to get through the season. I thought that enduring that kind of a season last year was bad -- but this feels worse given the re-start we tried with a new coach.

Everyone STFU and play football.

@SportingParagon · 4h 4 hours ago

Everything this wk has resulted in the top football guy in DC (Gruden) annexing control of the future of the franchise. That's a good thing.


This sums it up people. It's accurate, and it's what Jay should be doing.

[mooby]

If there's anyone left on RG3's bandwagon, this should clear it out:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...214738329.html

I still want to believe in RG3 and I want him to be successful as a Redskin, but the prospect of doing a complete rebuild job of him as a qb is not exciting at all. I don't know that the fanbase or the FO would be willing to accept the time it would take to accomplish that either.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

If there's anyone left on RG3's bandwagon, this should clear it out:



http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...214738329.html



I still want to believe in RG3 and I want him to be successful as a Redskin, but the prospect of doing a complete rebuild job of him as a qb is not exciting at all. I don't know that the fanbase or the FO would be willing to accept the time it would take to accomplish that either.

Good article. This is what I was talking about the other day -about defining talent. Griff is lacking "talent".


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[Kope]

the last time we had a coach this honest it was Marty. He called Darrell Green out and got him to buy in.

Leadership cannot start without honesty. It is about setting one standard and driving folks to it. If they don't buy in then they have to go; period. It can be brutal to watch from the outside.

IMO Gruden is exactly on track. By brining the issue into the public light he is protecting himself, he is in the position of strength. If he was a third year coach he wouldn't have the same leverage. He has this one single season to establish his relationship with higher; he will never have as much leverage as he has now - unless he starts winning. Once he starts winning he has another source of leverage. To win he has to get rid of RG. After this year the window is closed and he becomes more responsible as time goes on.

Don't forget Saint Joe was all about getting rid of Riggins and had issues with Theismann. He also flopped back and forth between DW and Jay Schrader, nothing was given to anyone.

Bottom line is if Gruden can get through this season and get rid of RG we have a chance at a turn around.

Of course this is all my opinion.

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by Kope

the last time we had a coach this honest it was Marty. He called Darrell Green out and got him to buy in.

Leadership cannot start without honesty. It is about setting one standard and driving folks to it. If they don't buy in then they have to go; period. It can be brutal to watch from the outside.

IMO Gruden is exactly on track. By brining the issue into the public light he is protecting himself, he is in the position of strength. If he was a third year coach he wouldn't have the same leverage. He has this one single season to establish his relationship with higher; he will never have as much leverage as he has now - unless he starts winning. Once he starts winning he has another source of leverage. To win he has to get rid of RG. After this year the window is closed and he becomes more responsible as time goes on.

Don't forget Saint Joe was all about getting rid of Riggins and had issues with Theismann. He also flopped back and forth between DW and Jay Schrader, nothing was given to anyone.

Bottom line is if Gruden can get through this season and get rid of RG we have a chance at a turn around.

Of course this is all my opinion.

good insight. The Marty/DG reference was spot on. I remember Marty actually showing DG how to back pedal during Training Camp! Also, wasn't it Marty who brought in the mandatory Oklahoma drills?

But, back to the topic...I think you're onto this....Gruden is definitely "breaking RG3 down to try to build him back better". It still could work. Check the history between Chuck Noll and Terry Bradshaw- a very Public building project that actually paid off over time.

[SFREDSKIN]

San Francisco 49ers News — Niner Insider Blog » Steve Young and the art of molding a mobile quarterback

[calia]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

San Francisco 49ers News — Niner Insider Blog » Steve Young and the art of molding a mobile quarterback

Excellent article. Snyder ought to pay SY $5 million a year to coach this.


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[KI Skins Fan]

I understand why Kope thinks that Jay is protecting himself by bringing the issue of RGIII's lack of fundamentals into the open, but who knows what Dan Snyder might do? For all we know, Jay Gruden's future as HC of the Redskins has already been decided. Still, it's a gutsy thing for Jay to do. I just hope that RGIII doesn't run crying to Snyder.