Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

It surprised everyone. IMO, the top management of this organization isnt conducive to anyone having long term success.

I was around the Redskins almost every day from 1998 through 2002, so for 5 seasons.

In my opinion, the franchise did Marty wrong. Marty was a colossal pain in the ass, no question about it. And ownership then had a huge ego that head butted constantly with Marty. But, off of Norv, the franchise needed a colossal pain in the ass. Marty could have been like Coughlin here. Hated, yet begrudgingly respected with success to justify his stay.

Spurrier on the other hand was given every opportunity and he repeatedly ignored those opportunities. It was a lot of fun when Spurrier was around, too fun

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I was around the Redskins almost every day from 1998 through 2002, so for 5 seasons.



In my opinion, the franchise did Marty wrong. Marty was a colossal pain in the ass, no question about it. And ownership then had a huge ego that head butted constantly with Marty. But, off of Norv, the franchise needed a colossal pain in the ass. Marty could have been like Coughlin here. Hated, yet begrudgingly respected with success to justify his stay.



Spurrier on the other hand was given every opportunity and he repeatedly ignored those opportunities. It was a lot of fun when Spurrier was around, too fun

Did Martys track record in the playoffs play a part in his being shown the door? I mean that was always the knock on Marty.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Did Martys track record in the playoffs play a part in his being shown the door? I mean that was always the knock on Marty.

No, not at all. It was primarily two things

1) Fred Drasner didn't like him, and Drasner made Snyder look like the most patient man in the world. Schottenheimer "disrespected" Drasner during training camp and at the point Drasner had already decided he was 1 and done. And Snyder listened a lot to Drasner in those days

2) Marty didn't even attempt to make Snyder feel involved, even if it's a token gesture he should have

[irish]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No, not at all. It was primarily two things

1) Fred Drasner didn't like him, and Drasner made Snyder look like the most patient man in the world. Schottenheimer "disrespected" Drasner during training camp and at the point Drasner had already decided he was 1 and done. And Snyder listened a lot to Drasner in those days

2) Marty didn't even attempt to make Snyder feel involved, even if it's a token gesture he should have

2 great posts Smoot. Thanks for the insight.

No doubt Marty was a huge PITA but that definitely was no secret so when you hire him you know you are hiring a PITA.

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No, not at all. It was primarily two things



1) Fred Drasner didn't like him, and Drasner made Snyder look like the most patient man in the world. Schottenheimer "disrespected" Drasner during training camp and at the point Drasner had already decided he was 1 and done. And Snyder listened a lot to Drasner in those days



2) Marty didn't even attempt to make Snyder feel involved, even if it's a token gesture he should have

Thanks SS.