The RG3 Sucks - Knee Jerk Reaction Thread

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Yeah, no one who has reviewed his play on film and actually has a clue wtf they're talking about agrees with you. But keep clinging to the O-line excuse as if it's the soft little woobie that helps you fall alseep at night.

Against the Bucs, sure. Not so against Minny or a fair amount of other games. But hey, keep up the whole mantra that football is not a team sport and nothing else matters except one position.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Against the Bucs, sure. Not so against Minny or a fair amount of other games. But hey, keep up the whole mantra that football is not a team sport and nothing else matters except one position.

Of course it is a team sport, but I dont think the bad habits/effed up things that Cooley and others have pointed out that Griff did against the Bucs were by any stretch of the imagination an isolated incident. If they were we wouldnt be having this conversation. Not over one game.
Also, nobody is denying our oline sucks or our safeties suck, but none of them were drafted number two overall in exchange for so much. If they were they would be called out by name like Griff.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Of course it is a team sport, but I dont think the bad habits/effed up things that Cooley and others have pointed out that Griff did against the Bucs were by any stretch of the imagination an isolated incident. If they were we wouldnt be having this conversation. Not over one game.
Also, nobody is denying our oline sucks or our safeties suck, but none of them were drafted number two overall in exchange for so much. If they were they would be called out by name like Griff.

And I have already gave my input on how I think a bad OL impacts a developing QB. If its not RG3, so be it, but the next guy we bring in is either a cast off or a rookie since the elites, and even average to better than average arent available. If we go with a rookie, we still wont develop that next young guy when he deals with constant pressure plus the fact that he has to outscore our own defense.

Get rid of RG3, fine... Just make sure the next guy brought in is given a chance to develop. Because we dont have that now, and moving on before we get it is pointless.

I still dont think most of you are getting what I am saying. Im not going to blame RG3 and only RG3 as most others are doing since there is a ton of crap to go around. All of you seem to think the fact that I think we have massive deficiencies at a lot of positions is somehow a defense of RG3. But get rid of RG3, and you still have a ton of crap minus 1 guy. And after we ruin the next young QB, we are back to a full load of crap. Changing the QB will not matter long term without making other changes.

There is a reason prior to the season when this board had a "Guess the record" thread that I put in 5-8 wins on the season. Because thats all I thought we would get. Changing RG3 for Colt does not change that impression by me. We are a bad team.

As to the nobody denying that our OL sucks. Uh... Just ask SS, he seems to think its pretty good. Just ask the people that keep telling me that its not the OL contributing to any problems. There are plenty of people on this board that thinks our OL is quite good.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Against the Bucs, sure. Not so against Minny or a fair amount of other games. But hey, keep up the whole mantra that football is not a team sport and nothing else matters except one position.

In your head, how do you explain that KC takes so much fewer sacks per attempt since the start of 2013?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

In your head, how do you explain that KC takes so much fewer sacks per attempt since the start of 2013?

He throws it in the general direction of a player not wearing the same jersey as him when pressured?

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by jdlea

He throws it in the general direction of a player not wearing the same jersey as him when pressured?

Didn't he throw 2 picks on Sunday? And it is easy to throw less picks when you fail to throw the ball. Or if you only hit the check down. But you can't win games like that either.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Didn't he throw 2 picks on Sunday? And it is easy to throw less picks when you fail to throw the ball. Or if you only hit the check down. But you can't win games like that either.

Yes, he did. No one ever disputed that. It also just got him to surpass Kirk in career picks in spite of the fact that Kirk has played in less than half as many games as Robert. Also, their yards per attempt are about the same for their careers, with Kirk's is higher this season by almost a yard, still, 7.6 is pretty high, doesn't lend much credence to your "check down" argument.

Robert did not play well on Sunday. That said, some people think there are also other problems and that he's the most talented guy who plays QB for the Washington Redskins. If he doesn't develop, the Skins need a new quarterback, because we don't have one.

My biggest issue with all of this? Why is it that Gruden gets a free pass? Isn't he supposed to be the guy who was responsible for Dalton's success? Where is the guru now? Why have both young quarterbacks failed to produce under him so far? At this point, I don't particularly care who you preferred to start, this team isn't any good and the quarterbacks aren't playing well; I thought that was your area of expertise. If you're not developing someone, you're wasting our time and I don't have any clue why you were hired in the first place.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by jdlea

My biggest issue with all of this? Why is it that Gruden gets a free pass? Isn't he supposed to be the guy who was responsible for Dalton's success?

Grunden gets a pass because, last year the narrative out of Redskin FO, the pro-RG3 people on this site and the RG3 camp was that last season was all the fault of the head coach. Oh, if only the Shanahans weren't mean to Rg3. If only the coaching was better, RG3 was this elite QB who was being thwarted by the head coach.

That and EVERYONE who understands QB mechanics for a living says RG3 is a mess. People who do this stuff for a living say this, not one dissenting voice.

Maybe Dalton worked harder at it, maybe Dalton is smarter, maybe Dalton doesn't have a swollen head and think he already knows everything. I can't say. What I can say is that, when a play calls for a 3 step drop and you drop 5 steps or one step and start hoping around, that is not a coaching problem that is a QB problem. When a WR is open and the QB is staring down the wrong receiver, then goes for the check down, thats a QB problem. Coaching doesn't fix that.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Grunden gets a pass because, last year the narrative out of Redskin FO, the pro-RG3 people on this site and the RG3 camp was that last season was all the fault of the head coach. Oh, if only the Shanahans weren't mean to Rg3. If only the coaching was better, RG3 was this elite QB who was being thwarted by the head coach.

That and EVERYONE who understands QB mechanics for a living says RG3 is a mess. People who do this stuff for a living say this, not one dissenting voice.

Maybe Dalton worked harder at it, maybe Dalton is smarter, maybe Dalton doesn't have a swollen head and think he already knows everything. I can't say. What I can say is that, when a play calls for a 3 step drop and you drop 5 steps or one step and start hoping around, that is not a coaching problem that is a QB problem. When a WR is open and the QB is staring down the wrong receiver, then goes for the check down, thats a QB problem. Coaching doesn't fix that.

And once again you ignored what I said in order to turn your post into an opportunity to bash Griffin. I'm not saying that Robert doesn't have work to do. However, if a play isn't understood by the QB and he takes the wrong drop, that seems, at least a little bit like a coaching problem.

I have a question: Do you believe the TEAM looked ready to play Sunday? If not, why is that? I blame the coach when, coming off a bye, or any time really, but especially coming off a bye, a team look as bad as the Skins did on Sunday. Everyone looked awful, Griffin included. No one is arguing any different.

EDIT: Another note, if Griffin's not getting better, how is that not a coach's failing? How is it not his fault in any way? How is not Gruden or McVay's fault that Cousins also looked horrible?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Grunden gets a pass because, last year the narrative out of Redskin FO, the pro-RG3 people on this site and the RG3 camp was that last season was all the fault of the head coach. Oh, if only the Shanahans weren't mean to Rg3. If only the coaching was better, RG3 was this elite QB who was being thwarted by the head coach.

That and EVERYONE who understands QB mechanics for a living says RG3 is a mess. People who do this stuff for a living say this, not one dissenting voice.

Maybe Dalton worked harder at it, maybe Dalton is smarter, maybe Dalton doesn't have a swollen head and think he already knows everything. I can't say. What I can say is that, when a play calls for a 3 step drop and you drop 5 steps or one step and start hoping around, that is not a coaching problem that is a QB problem. When a WR is open and the QB is staring down the wrong receiver, then goes for the check down, thats a QB problem. Coaching doesn't fix that.

C'mon Hijinx, it's still Mike Shanahan's fault!

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

In your head, how do you explain that KC takes so much fewer sacks per attempt since the start of 2013?

Any QB that does a three step drop and throws it immediately at the defense will have less sacks. That doesnt mean it is proper QB play.