The RG3 Sucks - Knee Jerk Reaction Thread

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Didn't he throw 2 picks on Sunday? And it is easy to throw less picks when you fail to throw the ball. Or if you only hit the check down. But you can't win games like that either.

Yes, he did. No one ever disputed that. It also just got him to surpass Kirk in career picks in spite of the fact that Kirk has played in less than half as many games as Robert. Also, their yards per attempt are about the same for their careers, with Kirk's is higher this season by almost a yard, still, 7.6 is pretty high, doesn't lend much credence to your "check down" argument.

Robert did not play well on Sunday. That said, some people think there are also other problems and that he's the most talented guy who plays QB for the Washington Redskins. If he doesn't develop, the Skins need a new quarterback, because we don't have one.

My biggest issue with all of this? Why is it that Gruden gets a free pass? Isn't he supposed to be the guy who was responsible for Dalton's success? Where is the guru now? Why have both young quarterbacks failed to produce under him so far? At this point, I don't particularly care who you preferred to start, this team isn't any good and the quarterbacks aren't playing well; I thought that was your area of expertise. If you're not developing someone, you're wasting our time and I don't have any clue why you were hired in the first place.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by jdlea

My biggest issue with all of this? Why is it that Gruden gets a free pass? Isn't he supposed to be the guy who was responsible for Dalton's success?

Grunden gets a pass because, last year the narrative out of Redskin FO, the pro-RG3 people on this site and the RG3 camp was that last season was all the fault of the head coach. Oh, if only the Shanahans weren't mean to Rg3. If only the coaching was better, RG3 was this elite QB who was being thwarted by the head coach.

That and EVERYONE who understands QB mechanics for a living says RG3 is a mess. People who do this stuff for a living say this, not one dissenting voice.

Maybe Dalton worked harder at it, maybe Dalton is smarter, maybe Dalton doesn't have a swollen head and think he already knows everything. I can't say. What I can say is that, when a play calls for a 3 step drop and you drop 5 steps or one step and start hoping around, that is not a coaching problem that is a QB problem. When a WR is open and the QB is staring down the wrong receiver, then goes for the check down, thats a QB problem. Coaching doesn't fix that.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Grunden gets a pass because, last year the narrative out of Redskin FO, the pro-RG3 people on this site and the RG3 camp was that last season was all the fault of the head coach. Oh, if only the Shanahans weren't mean to Rg3. If only the coaching was better, RG3 was this elite QB who was being thwarted by the head coach.

That and EVERYONE who understands QB mechanics for a living says RG3 is a mess. People who do this stuff for a living say this, not one dissenting voice.

Maybe Dalton worked harder at it, maybe Dalton is smarter, maybe Dalton doesn't have a swollen head and think he already knows everything. I can't say. What I can say is that, when a play calls for a 3 step drop and you drop 5 steps or one step and start hoping around, that is not a coaching problem that is a QB problem. When a WR is open and the QB is staring down the wrong receiver, then goes for the check down, thats a QB problem. Coaching doesn't fix that.

And once again you ignored what I said in order to turn your post into an opportunity to bash Griffin. I'm not saying that Robert doesn't have work to do. However, if a play isn't understood by the QB and he takes the wrong drop, that seems, at least a little bit like a coaching problem.

I have a question: Do you believe the TEAM looked ready to play Sunday? If not, why is that? I blame the coach when, coming off a bye, or any time really, but especially coming off a bye, a team look as bad as the Skins did on Sunday. Everyone looked awful, Griffin included. No one is arguing any different.

EDIT: Another note, if Griffin's not getting better, how is that not a coach's failing? How is it not his fault in any way? How is not Gruden or McVay's fault that Cousins also looked horrible?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

And once again you ignored what I said in order to turn your post into an opportunity to bash Griffin. I'm not saying that Robert doesn't have work to do. However, if a play isn't understood by the QB and he takes the wrong drop, that seems, at least a little bit like a coaching problem.

I have a question: Do you believe the TEAM looked ready to play Sunday? If not, why is that? I blame the coach when, coming off a bye, or any time really, but especially coming off a bye, a team look as bad as the Skins did on Sunday. Everyone looked awful, Griffin included. No one is arguing any different.

EDIT: Another note, if Griffin's not getting better, how is that not a coach's failing? How is it not his fault in any way? How is not Gruden or McVay's fault that Cousins also looked horrible?

I thought they were ready to play. Hard to win a game when two turnovers directly account for 10 points. We ran the ball well, wr's were open, defense gave up some big plays but they basically held TB to 17. A big reason for this loss was poor QB play.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I thought they were ready to play. Hard to win a game when two turnovers directly account for 10 points. We ran the ball well, wr's were open, defense gave up some big plays but they basically held TB to 17. A big reason for this loss was poor QB play.

Fair enough, we'll have to agree to disagree in that regard, but that's fine.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Grunden gets a pass because, last year the narrative out of Redskin FO, the pro-RG3 people on this site and the RG3 camp was that last season was all the fault of the head coach. Oh, if only the Shanahans weren't mean to Rg3. If only the coaching was better, RG3 was this elite QB who was being thwarted by the head coach.

That and EVERYONE who understands QB mechanics for a living says RG3 is a mess. People who do this stuff for a living say this, not one dissenting voice.

Maybe Dalton worked harder at it, maybe Dalton is smarter, maybe Dalton doesn't have a swollen head and think he already knows everything. I can't say. What I can say is that, when a play calls for a 3 step drop and you drop 5 steps or one step and start hoping around, that is not a coaching problem that is a QB problem. When a WR is open and the QB is staring down the wrong receiver, then goes for the check down, thats a QB problem. Coaching doesn't fix that.

C'mon Hijinx, it's still Mike Shanahan's fault!