Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[Avinash_Tyagi]

I'm not opposed to Gruden leaving

I see none of the skills necessary to create a highly successful team.

Gruden is no brilliant football mind, nor is he able to keep his team disciplined.

Perhaps it would make sense for the team to part ways with him and seek a fresh start with a completely new coaching staff

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Avinash_Tyagi

I'm not opposed to Gruden leaving

I see none of the skills necessary to create a highly successful team.

Gruden is no brilliant football mind, nor is he able to keep his team disciplined.

Perhaps it would make sense for the team to part ways with him and seek a fresh start with a completely new coaching staff

Exactly how can you tell what kind of mind he has if:

1) Your FO and Owner are dictating who you play at QB?

2) You have to dumb down your offense just so that same QB can run something?



Jay Gruden is probably one of the best things that has come to this franchise in quite sometime, it's just a shame he's handcuffed with both personnel and play calling.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Exactly how can you tell what kind of mind he has if:

1) Your FO and Owner are dictating who you play at QB?

2) You have to dumb down your offense just so that same QB can run something?

Jay Gruden is probably one of the best things that has come to this franchise in quite sometime, it's just a shame he's handcuffed with both personnel and play calling.

I'm sick of people complaining about the FO/Snyder dictating who to play at QB.

This team made a huge investment in RG3 and Gruden knew coming that in. If he didn't want to deal with this, he should have gone to another team period.

If Gruden has been given the same authority that Shanny was, then I'd agree with this. But Bruce Allen runs this team, and basically this was the personnel given to Gruden to work with.

I'm not justifying RG3 and he'll probably be done after this season here. But Gruden knew coming in that he had to make this work.

It's funny how everyone blames RG3 for pointing the finger at other people but himself. I feel that Gruden spends a lot of time placing the blame on RG3. I just don't know how the failures of a QB are not the failures of a coach. Gruden was brought in because he developed Dalton and seen as a good offensive coach. Even when Cousins and Colt were in at QB, we had issues with the offense.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sick of people complaining about the FO/Snyder dictating who to play at QB.

This team made a huge investment in RG3 and Gruden knew coming that in. If he didn't want to deal with this, he should have gone to another team period.

If Gruden has been given the same authority that Shanny was, then I'd agree with this. But Bruce Allen runs this team, and basically this was the personnel given to Gruden to work with.

I'm not justifying RG3 and he'll probably be done after this season here. But Gruden knew coming in that he had to make this work.

It's funny how everyone blames RG3 for pointing the finger at other people but himself. I feel that Gruden spends a lot of time placing the blame on RG3. I just don't know how the failures of a QB are not the failures of a coach. Gruden was brought in because he developed Dalton and seen as a good offensive coach. Even when Cousins and Colt were in at QB, we had issues with the offense.

As noted by SS, Jay didn't realize exactly how raw he was until he got here. Jay is simply putting public pressure on lil Danny and Bruce in regards to RGIII. He knows what he's doing.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

As noted by SS, Jay didn't realize exactly how raw he was until he got here. Jay is simply putting public pressure on lil Danny and Bruce in regards to RGIII. He knows what he's doing.

Jay needs to shut up and coach this team. The offense wasn't thrilling anyone while RG3 was out and was the biggest reason the team lost.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Jay needs to shut up and coach this team. The offense wasn't thrilling anyone while RG3 was out and was the biggest reason the team lost.

Well the offense did have a few big games, Dallas, Philly, Jacksonville...

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Jay needs to shut up and coach this team. The offense wasn't thrilling anyone while RG3 was out and was the biggest reason the team lost.

Both rg3 and jay need to shut up and produce on the field. Show me on the field both belong to be here leading the greatest sports franchise in world. That is it, pretty simple

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Both rg3 and jay need to shut up and produce on the field. Show me on the field both belong to be here leading the greatest sports franchise in world. That is it, pretty simple

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Jay needs to shut up and coach this team. The offense wasn't thrilling anyone while RG3 was out and was the biggest reason the team lost.

In the four losses this team suffered while Griff was out the defense allowed 37,45,27,30.
The offense , with RG-3 playing has scored - 6 points and 7 points in two of his three games. I repeat, 6 points and 7 points. They absolutely lit it up against the Jags and the Birds.
Edit: I will also add that the offense (without Robert) put up 20 points against the Cards. Doesnt sound like much until you look at the Cards game results. Only Denver scored more than that against them this year.

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[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Jay needs to shut up and coach this team. The offense wasn't thrilling anyone while RG3 was out and was the biggest reason the team lost.

There are two film breakdowns showing wide open receivers on multiple plays in the TB game. A few game changers and many first downs.
There is one play shown in a breakdown where every receiver on the field was open. These plays resulted in sacks, interceptions, and incompletions.
Alfmo almost had 100 yards.

What should be the goals on offense?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

There are two film breakdowns showing wide open receivers on multiple plays in the TB game. A few game changers and many first downs.
There is one play shown in a breakdown where every receiver on the field was open. These plays resulted in sacks, interceptions, and incompletions.
Alfmo almost had 100 yards.

What should be the goals on offense?

Stop making sense.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Avinash_Tyagi

I'm not opposed to Gruden leaving

I see none of the skills necessary to create a highly successful team.

Gruden is no brilliant football mind, nor is he able to keep his team disciplined.

Perhaps it would make sense for the team to part ways with him and seek a fresh start with a completely new coaching staff

Almost a certainty better HC prospects will be available, the questions are whether they'd come here and work for/with Snyder and Allen, and will Snyder/Allen pull the trigger anyway.

Jay is here for one reason, the Jon and Bruce connection. Jay has never shown much with x's and o's, and his constant resistance to running the ball doesn't really fit our offensive personnel to begin with. And after 9 games, it's ugly obvious he's not a leader of men. This is the worst disciplined and prepared team I've seen in pro football since Zorn's 2nd year. Jay got there in half a season!!

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Almost a certainty better HC prospects will be available, the questions are whether they'd come here and work for/with Snyder and Allen, and will Snyder/Allen pull the trigger anyway.

Jay is here for one reason, the Jon and Bruce connection. Jay has never shown much with x's and o's, and his constant resistance to running the ball doesn't really fit our offensive personnel to begin with. And after 9 games, it's ugly obvious he's not a leader of men. This is the worst disciplined and prepared team I've seen in pro football since Zorn's 2nd year. Jay got there in half a season!!

I wonder almost every day how/why we continue to get HC prospects. Honestly, unless a guy is just coming here to get the big bucks for a few years, why even waste your time?

Everyone hated on Shanahan and said how he was torpedoing the team, how he had it in for Griffin and was hindering him, and now all this shit comes out that Shanahan was right all along and didn't want to play Griffin but had no choice (Snyder).

Now Jay Gruden seems like a guy that tells it like it is but seeing him be anti- Griffin is only going to get him fired. I'll go on a limb and say the very act of benching Griffin for any reason at this point would likely get Gruden fired at the end of the year.

Never felt more desperate as a fan. We will just never win with Snyder as the owner. Even more with Bruce Allen as the GM....it's just a hopeless situation