Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[DynamiteRave]

I like Gruden. Dude doesn't smoke screen us in interviews and lets the public know what he really thinks. Does that make him a good coach? Absolutely not, but I get the feeling the guy knows what he's doing. But I also feel like he's trying to metaphorically make a six million dollar man out of a trash can and two Popsicle sticks.

Ergo, he's not working with much. Outside of the usual players we know and love and constantly name (Kerrigan, Alfmo, T. Williams, DJax, Garcon, Breeland etc) what else do we really have? Players are constantly injured, we have a bunch of awful and/or inconsistent and/or constantly injured and/or players just taking up roster space on the team (Polumbus, Orakpo, Reed, Paulsen, Hankerson, Chester, Neild even though I liked him, Biggers, Porter... you get the idea) and somehow we still have almost NO depth at any position.

Long story short, this better not be a 1 and done year for Gruden.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I like Gruden. Dude doesn't smoke screen us in interviews and lets the public know what he really thinks. Does that make him a good coach? Absolutely not, but I get the feeling the guy knows what he's doing. But I also feel like he's trying to metaphorically make a six million dollar man out of a trash can and two Popsicle sticks.

Ergo, he's not working with much. Outside of the usual players we know and love and constantly name (Kerrigan, Alfmo, T. Williams, DJax, Garcon, Breeland etc) what else do we really have? Players are constantly injured, we have a bunch of awful and/or inconsistent and/or constantly injured and/or players just taking up roster space on the team (Polumbus, Orakpo, Reed, Paulsen, Hankerson, Chester, Neild even though I liked him, Biggers, Porter... you get the idea) and somehow we still have almost NO depth at any position.

Long story short, this better not be a 1 and done year for Gruden.

The Redskins were not Jay's first choice and he had serious reservations about taking the job. But there are only so many NFL Head Coach openings available each year and the opportunity is ultimately too much to pass up.

My point though, is that Jay-unlike many others-had intimate knowledge of the situation here even before he interviewed. So almost none of this should come as a surprise. The one surprise to him, the one major surprise, is that he really thought Griffin was further along than he actually is. Even though his own brother told him he wasn't

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Redskins were not Jay's first choice and he had serious reservations about taking the job. But there are only so many NFL Head Coach openings available each year and the opportunity is ultimately too much to pass up.

My point though, is that Jay-unlike many others-had intimate knowledge of the situation here even before he interviewed. So almost none of this should come as a surprise. The one surprise to him, the one major surprise, is that he really thought Griffin was further along than he actually is. Even though his own brother told him he wasn't

I wonder if he's regretting the decision now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I wonder if he's regretting the decision now.

Kind of get the sense he is, don't you?

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Kind of get the sense he is, don't you?

Do you think there's buyers remorse on Snyder's end, if not Allen's? Jay seems like Zorn.2, totally over his head in terms of leadership ability and knowledge, I would think Snyder is have déjà vu nightmares.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Do you think there's buyers remorse on Snyder's end, if not Allen's? Jay seems like Zorn.2, totally over his head in terms of leadership ability and knowledge, I would think Snyder is have déjà vu nightmares.

I don't. Not yet at least.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't. Not yet at least.

That is good news and speaks well of Snyder and Allen. I don't know what to think of Allen as GM though.

Seems like you have more inside knowledge than anyone here, did you know if Snyder had high expectations for this season?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Do you think there's buyers remorse on Snyder's end, if not Allen's? Jay seems like Zorn.2, totally over his head in terms of leadership ability and knowledge, I would think Snyder is have déjà vu nightmares.

On what are you basing the conclusion that he is in over his head in terms of leadership and knowledge?

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

On what are you basing the conclusion that he is in over his head in terms of leadership and knowledge?

Well this is oversimplified but I look at knowledge based on how a coaches group performs. Gruden's offense underperformed every year in cincy relative to the talent. He had a ton to work with there in a superior oline they heavily invested in, arguably the best WR in football and great supporting cast around them. His group never finished in the top third of the league in points. His playoff performance is really lousy, playcalling lost cincy the playoffs last year. Giving up on the run going into the 2nd half of the game with a lead. Heard lots of football guys criticize Gruden after that. Now his group here is ranked about 26th in points.

So I hope we didn't recruit Jay for his x's anc o's. The other factor is leadership and he's failed worse there. If the supporting cast around RG was playing well Jay might have a case, but the whole offense looks unprepared and undisciplined. And now the drama, which he's in neck deep. If Jay was a leader the players would ball regardless of the QB. That's what well coached teams do. They also come out sharp after a bye.

Just as a comparison, look at the Cards. No stability at QB, injury ridden roster on both sides of the ball, very similar overall talent to what Grudens working with. I mean Larry Foote, at vet min I'm pretty sure, is playing the best of his career. Superb coaching. 9-1.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Kind of get the sense he is, don't you?

I can't say for sure honestly. I haven't viewed any of his press conferences, the most news I get about him is from here and from video snippets I see here and there. He seems frustrated definitely, I know it's usually aimed at RG3 but I'm not sure if it's RG3, the players or the entire organization from top to bottom that is the core cause of the frustration. Like I said, I like the guy a lot, I hope he doesn't quit on us or that Snyder doesn't quit on him but by the way it seems to be going, this isn't going to end amicably whenever it does end.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I can't say for sure honestly. I haven't viewed any of his press conferences, the most news I get about him is from here and from video snippets I see here and there. He seems frustrated definitely, I know it's usually aimed at RG3 but I'm not sure if it's RG3, the players or the entire organization from top to bottom that is the core cause of the frustration. Like I said, I like the guy a lot, I hope he doesn't quit on us or that Snyder doesn't quit on him but by the way it seems to be going, this isn't going to end amicably whenever it does end.

FWIW I think Jay is frustrated with a few peeps.....but not all or so it appears to me. Busting Roberts chops.....I hope is an attempt to break him off the Superstar mentality and rebuild him (much like the Marine Corps is famous for) in the offseason. Teach how to be a successful QB that he is capable of being. The kid is just to talented and smart to hit the Jeff George road....

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Hog1

FWIW I think Jay is frustrated with a few peeps.....but not all or so it appears to me. Busting Roberts chops.....I hope is an attempt to break him off the Superstar mentality and rebuild him (much like the Marine Corps is famous for) in the offseason. Teach how to be a successful QB that he is capable of being. The kid is just to talented and smart to hit the Jeff George road....

I disagree. He's not talented, or doesn't have a top skill set to be a great QB.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Kind of get the sense he is, don't you?

Solely based on the fact of the QB situation? If he had knowledge of the other stuff...? Jay seems tough, hope he wouldn't let this affect him. Bottom line, half the league seems to have questions at qb, even teams destined for the playoffs; this situation isn't all that different somewhere else is my point.