The everything Gruden thread

[mredskins]

Would be interesting if we had kept our pick and drafted Ryan T

[KI Skins Fan]

BTW, to pontificate is to talk in a dogmatic and pompous manner. To pontificate properly, you need to be a know-it-all with very strong opinions and the urge to share them. I looked it up.

[MTK]

I don't think Gruden is going anywhere.

But he definitely needs to learn and grow from this season.

He's certainly not without fault in all this. He could have handled some things a lot better. There were some concerns about him coming in about being able to handle the big media market in DC and he's definitely looked green in that area more often than not.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think Gruden is going anywhere.

But he definitely needs to learn and grow from this season.

He's certainly not without fault in all this. He could have handled some things a lot better. There were some concerns about him coming in about being able to handle the big media market in DC and he's definitely looked green in that area more often than not.

Yup. For instance, you can't call out players in public like he has, even if his critiques were correct. There's plenty of time behind closed doors to crucify players, if that is what you want to do.

Although honesty should be a virtue, Gruden might be too honest to be an NFL coach.

[Rotten1980]

Gruden would still be getting the benefit of the doubt if his group looked sharp and well prepared on game days. They don't, so he doesn't get the benefit. Add in his own lack of prep, stupid play calls, late play calls, and all indications are the problems start with him first and foremost. Then his poor handling of RG and the QB situation in general. Then poor handling of the media.

Right now he's DCs version of Josh McDaniels, with the ghost of Zorn. Worst HC hire of 2014. But he's got 4 games to show improvement and its got to start manana. That's tomorrow.

[Rotten1980]

Folks need to realize, Gruden wasn't in a leadership role in Cincy. Marvin Lewis is a great leader and Zimmer's defense was the soul of that team. Gruden was the long shot HC hire of 2014 and I still say the old boys connection got him this gig. It's gotten more obvious as the season wears on.

[MTK]

I wouldn't say he was a long shot hire, his name was coming up the past 2 years as a potential candidate. He didn't exactly come out of nowhere like Zorn did. And his development of Dalton was well documented.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I wouldn't say he was a long shot hire, his name was coming up the past 2 years as a potential candidate. He didn't exactly come out of nowhere like Zorn did. And his development of Dalton was well documented.

Some said Dalton even regressed this year, but Green was hurt too I think. Hard to tell.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Some said Dalton even regressed this year, but Green was hurt too I think. Hard to tell.

Dalton was up and down last year. To me he's just an average to below average QB. I don't think he's taking Cincy anywhere. Campbell is a better QB than Dalton and he should be their starter.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Dalton was up and down last year. To me he's just an average to below average QB. I don't think he's taking Cincy anywhere. Campbell is a better QB than Dalton and he should be their starter.

Dalton's stats
Captain Checkdown's (Campbell) stats

And even worse, keep in mind Dalton's stats include playing against the Steelers and Ravens D twice a year.

Nobody should confuse Dalton with Rodgers/Brady/Peyton, but nobody should confuse Campbell with Dalton either.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Dalton's stats

Captain Checkdown's (Campbell) stats



And even worse, keep in mind Dalton's stats include playing against the Steelers and Ravens D twice a year.



Nobody should confuse Dalton with Rodgers/Brady/Peyton, but nobody should confuse Campbell with Dalton either.

True dat. Captain deer in the headlights!


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[calia]

I like Gruden and I think he has potential to become a good coach (he isn't there yet). But, if the Skins lose out and with the improvements on our roster (albeit modest ones) we end up with the same record as last year when everyone gave up, I will have some real reservations about him - even for another season. The time to show some fight is now.


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[Chico23231]

Dispute over Redskins’ Robert Griffin III could lead to showdown between Jay Gruden, Bruce Allen - The Washington Post

Here we go again.

[tc2deuce]

I don't know what to think of this soap opera! What does bother me is the fact that Gruden gave up on RGIII and Kirk way too prematurely.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by tc2deuce

I don't know what to think of this soap opera! What does bother me is the fact that Gruden gave up on RGIII and Kirk way too prematurely.

Gave up?

Gave up. . .

How long are you supposed to stay with a guy who you have to uninstall your game plan for (against Tampa Bay) because he can't do the basic things required of an NFL quarterback?

If sports writers, talk radio hosts, and fans on a Redskins forum know that Griffin can't:

look at more than one side of the field on a play,
make reads beyond a check down (sometimes not even that),
scramble left and throw,
move in the pocket without losing sight of his receivers,
escape pressure with his feet or a quick release,
anticipate his receivers coming open;

then the defensive coordinators who we face probably know all those things too.

It is their job to know all that. After 3 years and multiple injuries, Griffin is the easiest of our QBs to defend.

Out of Kapernick, Wilson, and Griffin, all of whom run a mobile QB type offense we have the least skilled of the bunch. Wilson is slick and smart. He takes care of the ball and himself but isn't a great quarterback.

Everybody keeps hoping to recapture the magic of 2012. This organization is chasing a pipedream.

But, this is the guy we need to put winning football games, the careers of 50 to 60 players (idk whether to count the practice squad), and the livelihood of coaches on hold for so he can learn the basics he should already know.

Yea sure.