The everything Gruden thread

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Gruden can stay but Gruden sucks. You will eventually see.

so you actively rooting against your team?

[Hog1]

Please!!! Stop it with your facts you.......Zorn apologist!!
CAST him out like those that have gone before him..it is the only way.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Please!!! Stop it with your facts you.......Zorn apologist!!

CAST him out like those that have gone before him..it is the only way.

I dont always state the facts, but when I do I stay medium.
Stay medium my friends.

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[Rotten1980]

It's like we're watching different games. The one I saw our offense left 18 points on the field. Offense couldn't answer when it needed to and Indy was in control all game long.

Same same, I have no idea what you're seeing out there. Can we all agree it needs to improve??

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

It's like we're watching different games. The one I saw our offense left 18 points on the field. Offense couldn't answer when it needed to and Indy was in control all game long.



Same same, I have no idea what you're seeing out there. Can we all agree it needs to improve??

Something tells me Manning, Chip Kelly, and Especially that talent laden Cincy team left some points on the board too. Who cares if we scored the damn points from the redzone on a turnover or from our own 1?

Of course it needs to improve. It has needed to improve for twenty years. Obviously firing head coaches one after the other is not the answer. As I said before no matter what happens these last few games, Jay is going nowhere. Relax, and lets see where a full compliment of draft picks plus cap money, and a new DC bring us. Those three things we can bank on.



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[tc2deuce]

As much as I disagree with the handling of RGIII and the non existent game prep vs TB, I still feel that he has a lot of potential.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by tc2deuce

As much as I disagree with the handling of RGIII and the non existent game prep vs TB, I still feel that he has a lot of potential.

As a wide receiver.

[Bucket]

Gruden is a rookie Head coach. There is going to be growing pains. If we chose to get rid of him after one year. Well, it shows that this franchise will never learn to mold its own franchise and the win now attitude will never go away. Ill find another team after twenty years of loyal watching. Never missing a snap no matter the score.

I just cant continue to watch this fanbase and it staff cripple its legacy with this "go out and get this guy" approach if plan A doesnt work after 12 weeks in.

So I hope Gruden stays for 2-3 more years.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by tc2deuce

As much as I disagree with the handling of RGIII and the non existent game prep vs TB, I still feel that he has a lot of potential.

I agree and wouldnt let him go this offseason. I still think he can put it together...I think staying healthy and just continue working.

I think a good humbling experience can be great for people. He was drafted partially on his high character and being coachable so based on that, Im not ready to give up on him.

The bottomline for me will be not winning the job coming into next season. No sense in trading him, you wont get anything for him.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I agree and wouldnt let him go this offseason. I still think he can put it together...I think staying healthy and just continue working.

I think a good humbling experience can be great for people. He was drafted partially on his high character and being coachable so based on that, Im not ready to give up on him.

The bottomline for me will be not winning the job coming into next season. No sense in trading him, you wont get anything for him.

I want him to stay and believe he has so much untapped potential, but he's had back to back coaches who have basically shown no faith in him.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I agree and wouldnt let him go this offseason. I still think he can put it together...I think staying healthy and just continue working.

I think a good humbling experience can be great for people. He was drafted partially on his high character and being coachable so based on that, Im not ready to give up on him.

The bottomline for me will be not winning the job coming into next season. No sense in trading him, you wont get anything for him.

Steve Young gave an absolutely awesome interview on the sports fix about his evolution from runner to pocket passer and how much work it took. He essentially said it is like going to law school or graduate school. He put in countless hours on his own, outside practice, and outside the organization learning football.

He said he relied on his speed and talent to get by without truly learning the game. Credited Shanny for tying his legs together during practice to develop his skills.

So much so that his reads and decisions became as instinctual as much as they were conscious decisions.

He said he wasn't hating on Robert with his earlier comments (sounded like it to me though) but challenging him. Young said there were less than a handful of QBs on the level he is discussing.

It would be a dream come true if Griffin would put in the kind of work that Young is talking about this off season. He has the brains and the arm but I don't believe he has the ability to do an honest self evaluation.

I really wouldn't mind being totally wrong on him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Steve Young gave an absolutely awesome interview on the sports fix about his evolution from runner to pocket passer and how much work it took. He essentially said it is like going to law school or graduate school. He put in countless hours on his own, outside practice, and outside the organization learning football.

He said he relied on his speed and talent to get by without truly learning the game. Credited Shanny for tying his legs together during practice to develop his skills.

So much so that his reads and decisions became as instinctual as much as they were conscious decisions.

He said he wasn't hating on Robert with his earlier comments (sounded like it to me though) but challenging him. Young said there were less than a handful of QBs on the level he is discussing.

It would be a dream come true if Griffin would put in the kind of work that Young is talking about this off season. He has the brains and the arm but I don't believe he has the ability to do an honest self evaluation.

I really wouldn't mind being totally wrong on him.

Steve Young was one of very few who made the transition into a QB first, over a runner. Randall Cunningham, who was a very good player before he went to Minnesota is maybe another one. Vince Young was a better college player than Griffin. Young won ROY but what happened after that? There are so many great college QB's that simply never made the jump.

To me the issue is Gruden. He wants to win now, run his offense and isn't patient enough to develop Griffin. Griffin may never develop and I'd say the chances are he never does. Griffin is probably the worst QB on the roster running this offense. What does that say that journeymen McCoy and 4th rounder Cousins runs the offense better than he does? It says he has a real long way to go and may never get there.

[NC_Skins]

This fanbase and Dan Snyder deserve each other. They are so much alike it's not even funny.


The only coach who's truly been out of his league has been Zorn.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This fanbase and Dan Snyder deserve each other. They are so much alike it's not even funny.


The only coach who's truly been out of his league has been Zorn.

The problem is that Dan Snyder and his invisible cronies act like fans rather than rational football people. And they, sadly, are holding the reins.

These people hold everyone - coaches, players, and fans alike - hostage.

[KI Skins Fan]

Stop blaming the fan base! We're just like any other fan base and we don't influence Dan Snyder's decisions.

Hold on just a second and I'll test out your "The Fan Base Is To Blame" theory.

Dear Dan Snyder: I say you should fire Jay Gruden because of the loss to the Colts.

Wait, Dan Snyder just responded.

Dear KI: **** you! I'm not firing anybody because some dumb ass fan said I should.

See?