The everything Gruden thread

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Long can't even beat out Chester. Moses was unable to beat out Polumbus and Compton. Not looking good so far with either draft pick.

Which brings me to the point of coaching. Are we really missing out on good o-linemen in the draft or is it a coaching problem? We are drafting o-linemen, but we can't seem to get a player good enough to replace the terrible players we have (Chester/Polumbus/Compton) or maybe we are but the coaches are not doing a good job developing these players.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Which brings me to the point of coaching. Are we really missing out on good o-linemen in the draft or is it a coaching problem? We are drafting o-linemen, but we can't seem to get a player good enough to replace the terrible players we have (Chester/Polumbus/Compton) or maybe we are but the coaches are not doing a good job developing these players.

Too me, it's little coaching but I'm starting to believe the dipshits in the scouting department need to go. We need a new gm to come in and revamp scouting.

This is something danny boy needs to get on top of asap.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Too me, it's little coaching but I'm starting to believe the dipshits in the scouting department need to go. We need a new gm to come in and revamp scouting.

This is something danny boy needs to get on top of asap.

It's so hard to judge though. You don't know if the scouts are presenting poor options, or if they are selecting people they're told to look for, or if they have good options that are getting ignored. I mean it's ultimately up to higher ups in the FO to make the calls. A scout might say "We like Moses' potential. He could be a great 5th-6th round choice" But if Allen takes him in the 3rd, that's not on the scout. That's just an example

A big problem though, that I've mentioned in the "Getting to Know the Scouting Process" thread is these scouts spend the whole season looking for what one HC wants and then at the end of the year here comes a new HC with different ideas.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's so hard to judge though. You don't know if the scouts are presenting poor options, or if they are selecting people they're told to look for, or if they have good options that are getting ignored. I mean it's ultimately up to higher ups in the FO to make the calls. A scout might say "We like Moses' potential. He could be a great 5th-6th round choice" But if Allen takes him in the 3rd, that's not on the scout. That's just an example

A big problem though, that I've mentioned in the "Getting to Know the Scouting Process" thread is these scouts spend the whole season looking for what one HC wants and then at the end of the year here comes a new HC with different ideas.

I hear ya. But if we are reaching on your example like that...then thats a major problem where the GM and scouts are not on the same page.

Its time for Bruce to leave the personel game. He needs to check out and go to team Pres. Time to bring in a guy who not afraid to tell Snyder and his Lacky Posse how to run an organization

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hear ya. But if we are reaching on your example like that...then thats a major problem where the GM and scouts are not on the same page.

Its time for Bruce to leave the personel game. He needs to check out and go to team Pres. Time to bring in a guy who not afraid to tell Snyder and his Lacky Posse how to run an organization

That is great and all but Synder would have to hire this guy. Don't know if he wants someone like that around.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by mredskins

That is great and all but Snyder would have to hire this guy. Don't know if he wants someone like that around.

Say the magic word and win the debate.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hear ya. But if we are reaching on your example like that...then thats a major problem where the GM and scouts are not on the same page.

Its time for Bruce to leave the personel game. He needs to check out and go to team Pres. Time to bring in a guy who not afraid to tell Snyder and his Lacky Posse how to run an organization

We did that with Shanahan and it didn't work.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hear ya. But if we are reaching on your example like that...then thats a major problem where the GM and scouts are not on the same page.

Its time for Bruce to leave the personel game. He needs to check out and go to team Pres. Time to bring in a guy who not afraid to tell Snyder and his Lacky Posse how to run an organization

I honestly think it's more about the constant turnover up top that makes it harder for scouts to do their job

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I honestly think it's more about the constant turnover up top that makes it harder for scouts to do their job

Well I think the combo up top isnt working at all.

Who was responsible for Haslett staying? Thats a person thats needs to go

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hear ya. But if we are reaching on your example like that...then thats a major problem where the GM and scouts are not on the same page.

Its time for Bruce to leave the personel game. He needs to check out and go to team Pres. Time to bring in a guy who not afraid to tell Snyder and his Lacky Posse how to run an organization

You are correct. But as mredskins said, it is doubtful that Snyder would hire such a person. I would add that it is doubtful the Allen would allow this.

By overstepping his expertise, in my mind Bruce has gone from ray of sunshine to central tumor.

I realize that having a real GM is not a magic bullet. But our current way has not worked.

As for Gruden, the subject of the thread, it would be unfair to can him after one season, given the other stuff that has gone on.