The everything Gruden thread

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

I don't want to debate the point anymore, but still believe the talent level of this team is higher than some skeptics.

Looking at offense the skill positions are loaded with talent, I mean shit a game manager type QB should be able to put up big numbers. The oline is a disaster and the offense overall is unprepared, undisciplined and poorly coached. Just my opinion but I think offense has played about 50% its potential.

Defensively, the front seven is barely above average, the secondary well below average, but this is the unit that's played some strong games. Haslett has to go still.

my mind is ready to explode right now.

am i being trolled right now?

We quite literally just put up 392 passing yards less than 24 hours ago with a game manager type QB.

a game manager type QB put up 283 yds and 2 tds against the no. 1 defense in Seattle.

a game manager type QB put up 354 yds on the cardinal D.

a game manager QB put up 427 yds and 3 tds on division rival eagles.

excluding RG3 games, no game manager QB has thrown for less than 250 yds in any game this season.

with game managing QBs we are ranked 10th in passing. let that sink in.

I can only imagine we would be higher if we didnt have to count RG3's last 2 games (106 and 207 = both season lows)

yes our W-L doesnt look good. the team doesnt look good period.

this coach has found a way to get career numbers from game managers ... and he has fans criticizing him for not generating career numbers from game managers? i must be getting rick rolled

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

my mind is ready to explode right now.

am i being trolled right now?

We quite literally just put up 392 passing yards less than 24 hours ago with a game manager type QB.

a game manager type QB put up 283 yds and 2 tds against the no. 1 defense in Seattle.

a game manager type QB put up 354 yds on the cardinal D.

a game manager QB put up 427 yds and 3 tds on division rival eagles.

excluding RG3 games, no game manager QB has thrown for less than 250 yds in any game this season.

with game managing QBs we are ranked 10th in passing. let that sink in.

I can only imagine we would be higher if we didnt have to count RG3's last 2 games (106 and 207 = both season lows)

yes our W-L doesnt look good. the team doesnt look good period.

this coach has found a way to get career numbers from game managers ... and he has fans criticizing him for not generating career numbers from game managers? i must be getting rick rolled

Chill out girl! And back away from the edge lol!

The only offensive rank that matters is points, and we're 22nd I believe. But many of those were garbage points just like we saw yesterday. Gruden's offense hasn't been able to capitalize on turnovers, good field position etc. Basically it looks like a pile of horseshit in the first half.

He gets the benefit of the doubt up to this point, but now with McCoy taking all the reps things need to get sharper. If it doesn't happen I don't think anybody should fault Snyder for axing Gruden end of season, most teams would.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Chill out girl! And back away from the edge lol!

The only offensive rank that matters is points, and we're 22nd I believe. But many of those were garbage points just like we saw yesterday. Gruden's offense hasn't been able to capitalize on turnovers, good field position etc. Basically it looks like a pile of horseshit in the first half.

He gets the benefit of the doubt up to this point, but now with McCoy taking all the reps things need to get sharper. If it doesn't happen I don't think anybody should fault Snyder for axing Gruden end of season, most teams would.

man that axe sharp as a motherf*****

[OnceWeWereKings]

Why does everyone keep saying garbage time when we were only down 2 scores going into the 4th?

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by OnceWeWereKings

Why does everyone keep saying garbage time when we were only down 2 scores going into the 4th?

RG3 used to have good stats but because we lost everyone called it garbage time. that's why

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Chill out girl! And back away from the edge lol!

The only offensive rank that matters is points, and we're 22nd I believe. But many of those were garbage points just like we saw yesterday. Gruden's offense hasn't been able to capitalize on turnovers, good field position etc. Basically it looks like a pile of horseshit in the first half.

He gets the benefit of the doubt up to this point, but now with McCoy taking all the reps things need to get sharper. If it doesn't happen I don't think anybody should fault Snyder for axing Gruden end of season, most teams would.

or you could say that the half time adjustments on offense were spot on. I didn't see many garbage points on Sunday. Maybe the last field goal?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Chill out girl! And back away from the edge lol!

The only offensive rank that matters is points, and we're 22nd I believe. But many of those were garbage points just like we saw yesterday. Gruden's offense hasn't been able to capitalize on turnovers, good field position etc. Basically it looks like a pile of horseshit in the first half.

He gets the benefit of the doubt up to this point, but now with McCoy taking all the reps things need to get sharper. If it doesn't happen I don't think anybody should fault Snyder for axing Gruden end of season, most teams would.

Except really successful organizations like the modern day Patriots or Giants. And to go back a little Bill Walsh's 49ers and Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys did not fire their coach their first year.

And what has probably been the most successful organization since the Super Bowl was invented, the Pittsburg Steelers never fire their coach, even when their entire fan base/the media is trying to convince them to. They seem to understand patience.

But Washington is not a successful organization like the ones mentioned above so you will probably get what you want and then next year when the new head coach is in the same position as Gruden he will get fired as well. I would say the Skins are as bad as the Raiders but at least they made the Super Bowl this past century.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Except really successful organizations like the modern day Patriots or Giants. And to go back a little Bill Walsh's 49ers and Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys did not fire their coach their first year.

And what has probably been the most successful organization since the Super Bowl was invented, the Pittsburg Steelers never fire their coach, even when their entire fan base/the media is trying to convince them to. They seem to understand patience.

But Washington is not a successful organization like the ones mentioned above so you will probably get what you want and then next year when the new head coach is in the same position as Gruden he will get fired as well. I would say the Skins are as bad as the Raiders but at least they made the Super Bowl this past century.

Giants or Patriots would. Gruden is no Jimmy Johnson.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Giants or Patriots would. Gruden is no Jimmy Johnson.

Bill Belichick: 5-11 first year. Was not fired.

Tom Coughlin: 6-10 first year. Not fired.

Jimmy Johnson: 1-15 first year. Not fired.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Chill out girl! And back away from the edge lol!



The only offensive rank that matters is points, and we're 22nd I believe. But many of those were garbage points just like we saw yesterday. Gruden's offense hasn't been able to capitalize on turnovers, good field position etc. Basically it looks like a pile of horseshit in the first half.



He gets the benefit of the doubt up to this point, but now with McCoy taking all the reps things need to get sharper. If it doesn't happen I don't think anybody should fault Snyder for axing Gruden end of season, most teams would.

RG-3 put up 6,7,and 13 points in three of his starts. Thats going to bring down the curve alittle bit. You and Gary need to relax. There is nooooo waaaay in hell that Gruden is getting canned after this year is up. Not even the slightest chance.


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[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by punch it in

RG-3 put up 6,7,and 13 points in three of his starts. Thats going to bring down the curve alittle bit. You and Gary need to relax. There is nooooo waaaay in hell that Gruden is getting canned after this year is up. Not even the slightest chance.


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I don't know why you're stuck on RG?? Articles today discussed how bad the offense was yesterday without RG, and there was plenty of chatting here too.

Grudens bad showing on offense yesterday had nothing to do with RG. The offense was horrible through most of the first half. We moved the ball well in the second half but yards don't equal points and between stupid playcalls and obvious lack of preparation we put up a measly 27 points against the worst RZ defense in pro football.

Out of curiosity did you want Zorn back for a 2nd year? And do you realize Gruden has more talent to work with here but still worse results than Zorn?

When you look at Gruden in cincy, he needed a ton of talent to get results, but always fucked it up in the big games, mostly by getting cute with pass plays instead of pounding the run that got him ahead in the first place.

I'm at a total loss what folks see in Gruden. But as an HC he deserves these last four games to show whether he can be a leader.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

I don't know why you're stuck on RG?? Articles today discussed how bad the offense was yesterday without RG, and there was plenty of chatting here too.



Grudens bad showing on offense yesterday had nothing to do with RG. The offense was horrible through most of the first half. We moved the ball well in the second half but yards don't equal points and between stupid playcalls and obvious lack of preparation we put up a measly 27 points against the worst RZ defense in pro football.



Out of curiosity did you want Zorn back for a 2nd year? And do you realize Gruden has more talent to work with here but still worse results than Zorn?



When you look at Gruden in cincy, he needed a ton of talent to get results, but always fucked it up in the big games, mostly by getting cute with pass plays instead of pounding the run that got him ahead in the first place.



I'm at a total loss what folks see in Gruden. But as an HC he deserves these last four games to show whether he can be a leader.

Denver and Manning put up 31 points against this horrible D as opposed to our measly 27.
Philly put up 30 as opposed to our measly 27.
Baltimore a good team put up 13 as opposed to our measly 27.
Cincy and all of that ton of talent that you are referring to put up 0 as opposed once again to our measly 27. Wasnt it you that said that points are the only offensive stat that matter? So which is it?
Only four teams all year have put up more points against them that we did. Two of them by 4 and 3 - and those are two of the more prolific offenses in the game!
But dont let the facts get in the way.
Edit: not to mention that Denver Houston and Pitt all got them at home - we played them in the dome. Id say thats worth a few points and you could argue that points wise we gave their D as big a handful as any other team has this year.

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