The everything Gruden thread

[mredskins]

Shannon Sharpe offers the ultimate RGIII take - The Washington Post

Very interesting.

So has RGIII been working as hard as we thought he has been?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Shannon Sharpe offers the ultimate RGIII take - The Washington Post

Very interesting.

So has RGIII been working as hard as we thought he has been?

I agree with that 100%. Too many people up here brushed aside his commercials and endorsements in the beginning. Well, they are very much related to how dedicated he is to football. Then again, Robert thought "practice was much harder than games" back in 2012. Robert was too busy acting like a superstar instead of actually becoming one.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I agree with that 100%. Too many people up here brushed aside his commercials and endorsements in the beginning. Well, they are very much related to how dedicated he is to football. Then again, Robert thought "practice was much harder than games" back in 2012. Robert was too busy acting like a superstar instead of actually becoming one.

How can doing commercials equal less dedication to the team? Would Troy Polumalu, Aaron Rodgers (discount doublecheck!), and Peyton Manning be more devoted to their teams if they didn't do commercials?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

How can doing commercials equal less dedication to the team? Would Troy Polumalu, Aaron Rodgers (discount doublecheck!), and Peyton Manning be more devoted to their teams if they didn't do commercials?

Yeah I still don't think it's a big deal either.

Sharpe brings up some valid points but doing commercials is probably the last thing to be concerned about.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

How can doing commercials equal less dedication to the team? Would Troy Polumalu, Aaron Rodgers (discount doublecheck!), and Peyton Manning be more devoted to their teams if they didn't do commercials?

When Robert was kickin it in 2012...who cared then about Subway...etc? When you struggle or are not winning, many people focus on stupid...BS

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

How can doing commercials equal less dedication to the team? Would Troy Polumalu, Aaron Rodgers (discount doublecheck!), and Peyton Manning be more devoted to their teams if they didn't do commercials?

For starters, all three of those guys didn't do commercials until they were a proven commodity. Robert was making commercials long before the season even begin. It's one thing if you have your shit together, and have your game tight. This isn't the case, and it shows. All the time focused on your "branding" and marketing should have been spent making yourself a better football player. Something that Peyton had to do early in his career.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

For starters, all three of those guys didn't do commercials until they were a proven commodity. Robert was making commercials long before the season even begin. It's one thing if you have your shit together, and have your game tight. This isn't the case, and it shows. All the time focused on your "branding" and marketing should have been spent making yourself a better football player. Something that Peyton had to do early in his career.

People really need to get over this crap.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

People really need to get over this crap.

Well, the results show. Maybe if he had spent more time invested into football (video/etc) maybe he wouldn't be that far behind. I'm tired of people just brushing it off like it has nothing to do with it, but the reality of it is that it does. Shanny said he needed to spend more time on it, and Gruden even recently said he needed to work on his craft more.

Did you not read what Shannon Sharpe said? Just because you come into the job before everybody and leave after everybody doesn't mean jack shit. Unfortunately for QBs, they have to put in that much more effort and time to their crafts. If you aren't going to do it, chances are you aren't going to make it either.

So, on one hand we got guys like you and a few other saying it's no big deal. On the other hand, we have 2 professional coaches saying it is a big deal. No offense, but I think I'll go with the professionals on this one.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Well, the results show. Maybe if he had spent more time invested into football (video/etc) maybe he wouldn't be that far behind. I'm tired of people just brushing it off like it has nothing to do with it, but the reality of it is that it does. Shanny said he needed to spend more time on it, and Gruden even recently said he needed to work on his craft more.

Did you not read what Shannon Sharpe said? Just because you come into the job before everybody and leave after everybody doesn't mean jack shit. Unfortunately for QBs, they have to put in that much more effort and time to their crafts. If you aren't going to do it, chances are you aren't going to make it either.

So, on one hand we got guys like you and a few other saying it's no big deal. On the other hand, we have 2 professional coaches saying it is a big deal. No offense, but I think I'll go with the professionals on this one.

First of all, I'm not defending RG3's performance and it is obvious there are issues with him.

That being said, if two coaches are telling me that their QB needs to work, and they can't get that said QB to put in the work. The problem lies within the coaches, just as much as it lies with the coaches. And let's not forget how much power Shanahan had in the organization.

I'm pretty positive that if you take away all the commercials and all the branding and all the media exposure, RG3 would still have the same problems that he has today.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Well, the results show. Maybe if he had spent more time invested into football (video/etc) maybe he wouldn't be that far behind. I'm tired of people just brushing it off like it has nothing to do with it, but the reality of it is that it does. Shanny said he needed to spend more time on it, and Gruden even recently said he needed to work on his craft more.

Did you not read what Shannon Sharpe said? Just because you come into the job before everybody and leave after everybody doesn't mean jack shit. Unfortunately for QBs, they have to put in that much more effort and time to their crafts. If you aren't going to do it, chances are you aren't Young to make it either.

So, on one hand we got guys like you and a few other saying it's no big deal. On the other hand, we have 2 professional coaches saying it is a big deal. No offense, but I think I'll go with the professionals on this one.

My only question would be since Gruden has been brutally honest about RG3 game performance why didn't he bash his preparation or his work ethic if that was the case. I remember Gruden praising Robert's work ethic from day one. So since that is the case and should I be more concerned with RG3 lack of preparation to be ready or the fact that he was able to fool the head coach to believing that he was prepared?