The everything Gruden thread

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Nobody said or implied the fanbase was to blame in any of this. What was simply said is Dan Snyder is very much like our fanbase.

1) He's irrational and makes hasty decisions
2) He doesn't understand how to run an organization
3) Ideas suggested generally end up a disaster
4) Always chasing the "big name"

OK. I stand corrected on the blame issue.

However, you did say that our fan base is very much like Dan Snyder and because of that they "deserve" the inept owner of the Redskins. I disagree.

I don't think that Redskins fans are any different than the fans of any other NFL team. I think most NFL fans are more emotional than rational about their teams. Redskins fans don't deserve to lose because they are like Dan Snyder any more than Patriots fans deserve to win because they are not like Robert Kraft. On the other hand, Dan Snyder may deserve to lose because he runs his organization like a typical NFL fan would run it.

I'd like to think that Redskins fans deserve a better owner but the fact is we have Dan Snyder and there is nothing we can do about it.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

OK. I stand corrected on the blame issue.

However, you did say that our fan base is very much like Dan Snyder and because of that they "deserve" the inept owner of the Redskins. I disagree.

I don't think that Redskins fans are any different than the fans of any other NFL team. I think most NFL fans are more emotional than rational about their teams. Redskins fans don't deserve to lose because they are like Dan Snyder any more than Patriots fans deserve to win because they are not like Robert Kraft. On the other hand, Dan Snyder may deserve to lose because he runs his organization like a typical NFL fan would run it.

I'd like to think that Redskins fans deserve a better owner but the fact is we have Dan Snyder and there is nothing we can do about it.

There are plenty of teams out there that do poorly without having an owner like Snyder.

IMO, the problem lies with the people he hired to run the team such as Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan, which ironically a lot of people (back when they were first hired) would consider them to be "football people".

So we have gone from terrible yes-men (Cerrato) to "football people" that have failed miserably (Shanahan and Allen), and that's why we've ended up where we are right now.

The problem will not go away if Sndyer goes away, look at the Raiders and how they've fared after Al Davis' passing. The problem will go away when Snyder hires the right person to run the team. It is obvious now that he has hired the wrong person twice (yet many of us were okay with these hiring before).

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The problem will go away when Snyder hires the right person to run the team. It is obvious now that he has hired the wrong person twice (yet many of us were okay with these hiring before).

Twice? Snyder is working on the NFL owner record for bad hires. Not to mention that fired someone who might have been the right person (Schottenheimer).

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Twice? Snyder is working on the NFL owner record for bad hires. Not to mention that fired someone who might have been the right person (Schottenheimer).

I'm talking about post-Vinny Snyder.