No indictment in the mike brown case

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

U think its ok for the police to choke a man to death on the sidewalk for selling cigarettes?

.........and resisting arrest ,had he not done that he would have been out of jail in hours and still alive .

[Giantone]

Some people in this thread need to read this ........,and think a long time .


Ferguson grand jury documents show inconsistencies in witness testimony - CBS News

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Some people in this thread need to read this ........,and think a long time .


Ferguson grand jury documents show inconsistencies in witness testimony - CBS News

I think you are missing the point that the standards of police treatment for some groups of people in this country are different compared to others.

I don't know what your background is and if you're not a person of color, I don't expect you to understand what is like to be a person of color in this country even during these times.

The same way that I as a male will very likely never what is like to be a woman during time when you see rapes happening all the time and there being a culture where in some cases it is not seen as a big deal (see UVA case).

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think you are missing the point that the standards of police treatment for some groups of people in this country are different compared to others.

I don't know what your background is and if you're not a person of color, I don't expect you to understand what is like to be a person of color in this country even during these times.

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First and foremost , there are shitty Cops out there and I fully agree things can and should be handle differently .We are all people of color the law is the law and police are there to enforce the law ,Mo and NY are 2 different situations the only thing similar is both guys had broken the law (allegedly) and resisted arrest .In the Brown case he initiated the confrontation by reaching into the police car and going for the cops gun (all facts) .In Garner's case the dumb ass Cop use a illegal choke hold where many other tactics would have worked considering there were many officers there I don't get it .I still maintain that both were doing something illegal and had they listen to the police and do what was told .....as all people should do they would be alive ,I'm from the same school as JR ,kiss ass to you are out then fight it in court .So I'll ask the question since people just want to burn everything down,are people of color ....above the law ,you own a gas station in town and "the people burn it down" ...is that ok ?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

First and foremost , there are shitty Cops out there and I fully agree things can and should be handle differently .We are all people of color the law is the law and police are there to enforce the law ,Mo and NY are 2 different situations the only thing similar is both guys had broken the law (allegedly) and resisted arrest .In the Brown case he initiated the confrontation by reaching into the police car and going for the cops gun (all facts) .In Garner's case the dumb ass Cop use a illegal choke hold where many other tactics would have worked considering there were many officers there I don't get it .I still maintain that both were doing something illegal and had they listen to the police and do what was told .....as all people should do they would be alive ,I'm from the same school as JR ,kiss ass to you are out then fight it in court .So I'll ask the question since people just want to burn everything down,are people of color ....above the law ,you own a gas station in town and "the people burn it down" ...is that ok ?

So if I dont kiss ass I should suffer the consequences? NO

I treat everyone with respect and I expect the samething from everyone including a police officer. To think you have to kiss someone ass in order to get favorable treatment...Bullshit. These fucking cops need to read the fucking constitution.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So I'll ask the question since people just want to burn everything down,are people of color ....above the law ,you own a gas station in town and "the people burn it down" ...is that ok ?

People of color are not above the law. No one is saying that Brown or Garner were being saints or that they are innocent of what they were doing.

However, the trend in this country is that in similar situations if Brown and Garner are white, they'd likely be in jail right now, but alive.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

People of color are not above the law. No one is saying that Brown or Garner were being saints or that they are innocent of what they were doing.

However, the trend in this country is that in similar situations if Brown and Garner are white, they'd likely be in jail right now, but alive.

OK, who knows if Brown did all this, but lets look at this example:

Are you saying that if a big white guy walking down the street gets into an argument with a cop in his car, reaches in, punches the cop, struggles for the gun, shot fired, big white guy runs off a ways, then says "you're too big a p***y to shoot me" to the cop, and runs back at him, the big white guy would likely just be in jail instead of dead now?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

OK, who knows if Brown did all this, but lets look at this example:

Are you saying that if a big white guy walking down the street gets into an argument with a cop in his car, reaches in, punches the cop, struggles for the gun, shot fired, big white guy runs off a ways, then says "you're too big a p***y to shoot me" to the cop, and runs back at him, the big white guy would likely just be in jail instead of dead now?

*sigh*

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

OK, who knows if Brown did all this, but lets look at this example:

Are you saying that if a big white guy walking down the street gets into an argument with a cop in his car, reaches in, punches the cop, struggles for the gun, shot fired, big white guy runs off a ways, then says "you're too big a p***y to shoot me" to the cop, and runs back at him, the big white guy would likely just be in jail instead of dead now?

The trend in this country appears to be that white males in dangerous situations are more likely to come out alive:

Armed man shot, injured by San Diego police in Mission Bay - 10News.com KGTV ABC10 San Diego

than black males in similar or less dangerous situations:

South Carolina trooper shot unarmed man, police say - CNN.com

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

People of color are not above the law. No one is saying that Brown or Garner were being saints or that they are innocent of what they were doing.

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......actually that is exactly what the black community is saying and how they are being treated (remembered) .

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

.........and resisting arrest ,had he not done that he would have been out of jail in hours and still alive .

This isn't bogato Columbia. The medical examiner said homicide.

If this guy is white in a Connecticut suburb and resisted, is he dead? Our way of thinking where this is ok crazy. This isn't michael brown, this is much much worse IMO.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This isn't bogato Columbia. The medical examiner said homicide.

If this guy is white in a Connecticut suburb and resisted, is he dead? Our way of thinking where this is ok crazy. This isn't michael brown, this is much much worse IMO.

It happened in Va. last year , this white male did have his hands up ...
Family wants answers in Va. shooting by cop . So did this white kid with down syndrome ,....Lawsuit moves forward in death of Ethan Saylor .

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by budw38

It happened in Va. last year , this white male did have his hands up ...
Family wants answers in Va. shooting by cop . So did this white kid with down syndrome ,....Lawsuit moves forward in death of Ethan Saylor .

So you agree a national problem? How a police chief killing an unarmed man: White Ex-Cop Charged in Killing of Black Man in SC - ABC News

Or how about a police officer shooting a killing a 12 year old with a bb gun. Now we learn this cop had maturity issues doing his job and had a problem handling stress: Cop who shot Tamir Rice called 'distracted and weepy' - CNN.com

Think to yourself if this was your son or grandson...what would your reaction be? Now think, this isnt a problem in other places...this is a "Main Street" issue meaning you better look in your own community who holds a badge and a gun. Its your tax money paying for it

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So you agree a national problem? How a police chief killing an unarmed man: White Ex-Cop Charged in Killing of Black Man in SC - ABC News

Or how about a police officer shooting a killing a 12 year old with a bb gun. Now we learn this cop had maturity issues doing his job and had a problem handling stress: Cop who shot Tamir Rice called 'distracted and weepy' - CNN.com

Think to yourself if this was your son or grandson...what would your reaction be? Now think, this isnt a problem in other places...this is a "Main Street" issue meaning you better look in your own community who holds a badge and a gun. Its your tax money paying for it

Im all for police being treated the same as " civilians " when it comes to being charged , tried and convicted . Nobody wants the police to act as Judge /Jury /Exec' . As far as shooting an unarmed civilian ,that depends on the situation ,as it should for us . Unarmed man breaks into a woman's home @ 2am .... she has a right to defend herself , even using deadly force . As far as the 13 yr old .... very sad and tragic . What were his parents doing .... they let him run around with a BBG that looks real ???
Of course any of us would be hurt / upset with the death of a family member shot by police . However , the problem starts with " us ". If " we " have this attitude that we can commit certain crimes and can't be arrested , beat ( by home/bus owner or cop ) , or maybe even shot , that is the cause /problem in most cases of police shootings . I have yet to hear one report of a cop just shooting someone without either responding to a call or being in a scuffle . Again ,it is sad and tragic when someone loses life .

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by budw38

Im all for police being treated the same as " civilians " when it comes to being charged , tried and convicted . Nobody wants the police to act as Judge /Jury /Exec' . As far as shooting an unarmed civilian ,that depends on the situation ,as it should for us . Unarmed man breaks into a woman's home @ 2am .... she has a right to defend herself , even using deadly force . As far as the 13 yr old .... very sad and tragic . What were his parents doing .... they let him run around with a BBG that looks real ???
Of course any of us would be hurt / upset with the death of a family member shot by police . However , the problem starts with " us ". If " we " have this attitude that we can commit certain crimes and can't be arrested , beat ( by home/bus owner or cop ) , or maybe even shot , that is the cause /problem in most cases of police shootings . I have yet to hear one report of a cop just shooting someone without either responding to a call or being in a scuffle . Again ,it is sad and tragic when someone loses life .

Video released of police fatally shooting 12-year-old Tamir Rice - LA Times

The caller who reported the child with the "gun" said to the dispatcher "the gun was probably a fake"

So on the video just watch the last 30 seconds to see how the police investigated to see if the gun was a fake.

I dont know about you, i had a bb gun when i was 12 which looked just like a .22 rifle. I dont see the difference. Its a known fact bb guns mimic real guns.

Maybe you would be in favor of gun legislation that read bb guns should not mimic real guns. Maybe make them all in the color of pink? I think i would be down with that. Might change the perception of having a gun is cool if they are all pink?


I dont want to impede a policeman job, but I want to (like the Skins) change the culture within some departments which may allow certain things. I think a good start would be requirement for the Cops to wear cameras to protect them and for training.

But your bottomline is correct, anytime someone loses their life, whether its a policeman in the line of fire, criminal, or the innocent...its tragic.