The everything Gruden thread

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Lotus

My friend, Colt is not nor ever will be a franchise QB. One characteristic of a franchise QB is that he has to have an arm so strong that he can threaten the defense with a deep ball. He doesn't have to throw deep, he just has to have the threat. Without this threat, defenses cheat against the run and the short pass alike.

The Texas Noodle's arm doesn't threaten even my grandma.

Well sir, there's some wiggle in the noodle debate. P Manning doesn't have much of an arm these days, but accuracy and intelligence offsets the one weakness.

Maybe Colt can be a Chad Pennington type QB, perfect for a system with high accuracy and football IQ. Or maybe he needs to hit the weights lol.

Stop killing my optimism.ds

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Well sir, there's some wiggle in the noodle debate. P Manning doesn't have much of an arm these days, but accuracy and intelligence offsets the one weakness.

Maybe Colt can be a Chad Pennington type QB, perfect for a system with high accuracy and football IQ. Or maybe he needs to hit the weights lol.

Stop killing my optimism.ds

I agree that Peyton's arm is not the strongest, but certainly you are not equating his arm with Colt's flimsy equipment.

And in my argument I was actually thinking about Pennington. He failed as a franchise QB and became a journeyman backup precisely because of his weak arm.

Here's some optimism: since even a blind squirrel finds a nut, I am hoping that we can be lucky at QB for once. Maybe we will bring in Bradford and he will change and become durable. Or maybe we'll bring in Locker and find that he has finally gotten his act together. Or maybe someone else - QB's are unpredictably released every year.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I agree that Peyton's arm is not the strongest, but certainly you are not equating his arm with Colt's flimsy equipment.

And in my argument I was actually thinking about Pennington. He failed as a franchise QB and became a journeyman backup precisely because of his weak arm.

Here's some optimism: since even a blind squirrel finds a nut, I am hoping that we can be lucky at QB for once. Maybe we will bring in Bradford and he will change and become durable. Or maybe we'll bring in Locker and find that he has finally gotten his act together. Or maybe someone else - QB's are unpredictably released every year.

Pennington started for the Dolphins late in his career and was really good, only injuries held him back. Shoulder injury I think.

Seriously, can't a 28 yr old QB improve his arm with some strength training?? Colt looks like a noodle, get in the effing weight room whitebread.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Pennington started for the Dolphins late in his career and was really good, only injuries held him back. Shoulder injury I think.

Seriously, can't a 28 yr old QB improve his arm with some strength training?? Colt looks like a noodle, get in the effing weight room whitebread.

True. But Pennington was not the Fins anointed franchise QB, he was a we-need-someone starter.

Just like Colt, I liked Pennington. They both read defenses well, get the ball out in rhythm, and take care of the ball. But arm strength limited Pennington's career and it does Colt, too.

BTW I think the Rams' Austin Davis, who I watched a lot in college, is in the same boat. Smart guy, hard worker, accurate short game, but lacking a scary arm.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Pennington started for the Dolphins late in his career and was really good, only injuries held him back. Shoulder injury I think.

Seriously, can't a 28 yr old QB improve his arm with some strength training?? Colt looks like a noodle, get in the effing weight room whitebread.

LOL....No. Colt could do all the arm exercises he wants, it won't improve his arm.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Pennington started for the Dolphins late in his career and was really good, only injuries held him back. Shoulder injury I think.

Seriously, can't a 28 yr old QB improve his arm with some strength training?? Colt looks like a noodle, get in the effing weight room whitebread.

No, but plenty of QB's can play a great game and don't need to throw rockets around the field.

Romo
Wilson
Brady

All of these guys don't have the strongest arms. Still excel.