The everything Gruden thread

[Rotten1980]

Report: Jay Gruden is done with Robert Griffin III - CBSSports.com

[VTSkins1961]

option 3 - get rid of both of them.... Not saying I would do it....

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Report: Jay Gruden is done with Robert Griffin III - CBSSports.com

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by VTSkins1961

option 3 - get rid of both of them.... Not saying I would do it....

It looks like Gruden's going to draw a line in the sand on this one. Should be an interesting off season over in Ashburn.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It looks like Gruden's going to draw a line in the sand on this one. Should be an interesting off season over in Ashburn.

Draw a line, my foot. Gruden works for Dan Snyder and, whether he likes it or not, RGIII is a special case.

Snyder should tell Gruden that RGIII will be on the team in 2015, that Gruden must hire a QB Coach, that he (Snyder) expects to receive regular reports from Gruden on RGIII's progress, and that Gruden needs to watch his mouth when he talks to the media about RGIII. Snyder made a big investment in RGIII and he has a right to ensure that every reasonable measure is taken to try to get RGIII on the field as the starting QB of his franchise.

Gruden has not done all he can do to get RGIII ready to play and now he's trying to blow off his responsibility for that objective which he surely must have been given when he was hired. I am not impressed.

[mcludka]

I am all for that as long as the QB coach isn't named Zorn.

[mcludka]

Its been very obvious with RG3 from the beginning that reading a defense and pocket awareness weren't his strengths. Why then did we choose a coach who's offense revolves entirely on these skills and no others? At least Shanty moved the pocket and therefore the passer. This was without the read option...
Seems like a bad marriage from the get go.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by mcludka

Its been very obvious with RG3 from the beginning that reading a defense and pocket awareness weren't his strengths. Why then did we choose a coach who's offense revolves entirely on these skills and no others? At least Shanty moved the pocket and therefore the passer. This was without the read option...
Seems like a bad marriage from the get go.

Because these are things a pro QB needs to be successful. Long term, you can not have a good pro offense without a QB who doesn't have these things. NFL defenses adjust too fast to have a QB who depends on rollouts and read option. I could see it in the 49 game, the outside lineman were staying at home and were right in RG3s face on the few rollouts they did.

The CFL style mobile QB was never going to work in the NFL. People were fooled in 2012 because of RG3, Kaepernick, Newton, and Russel had success. However it was short lived.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by mcludka

Its been very obvious with RG3 from the beginning that reading a defense and pocket awareness weren't his strengths. Why then did we choose a coach who's offense revolves entirely on these skills and no others? At least Shanty moved the pocket and therefore the passer. This was without the read option...
Seems like a bad marriage from the get go.

He also can't move in the pocket without taking his eyes off the receivers down field, or scramble left and throw, or accept blame with out throwing his team under the bus.

How easy is a guy that has all those limitations to defend?

Our defense looked great against the same type of qb with a better skill set in the 49ers game.

The measuring stick should be our defense. If we can defend it, it sucks. The Seattle game is a bit of an outlier but our d kept us in the game. If our olbs were strict on their responsibilities we would have been good that game.

Luck made the same defense in the very next week look like the worst in the league because he isn't a one trick pony who runs plays with a single read.

What about Griffin has given anybody the notion he can develop into a pocket passer?

The best running qb right now is Wilson and he has an awesome line. Seattle isn't even a top 10 offense. Does that means defenses have adjusted to the running qb? Idk. There is a strong argument though, that if Griffin matches Wilson's abilities we still aren't going to be as effective as an more traditional offense with a qb who can pick apart an offense.

The NFL has changed, it isn't 2012. A qb that can progress through reads and make changes preplay has a higher ceiling than one who doesnt.

On a tangent, Griffin doesn't have that intangible slickness to keep himself alive like Wilson.

I would love to be wrong on this.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by mcludka

I am all for that as long as the QB coach isn't named Zorn.

Flacco really progressed with Zorn as a QB coach.

[CASKINS]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Draw a line, my foot. Gruden works for Dan Snyder and, whether he likes it or not, RGIII is a special case.

Snyder should tell Gruden that RGIII will be on the team in 2015, that Gruden must hire a QB Coach, that he (Snyder) expects to receive regular reports from Gruden on RGIII's progress, and that Gruden needs to watch his mouth when he talks to the media about RGIII. Snyder made a big investment in RGIII and he has a right to ensure that every reasonable measure is taken to try to get RGIII on the field as the starting QB of his franchise.

Gruden has not done all he can do to get RGIII ready to play and now he's trying to blow off his responsibility for that objective which he surely must have been given when he was hired. I am not impressed.

This is an dangerous area.....I wouldnt show complete favoritism to Robert but rather inform the coach that attitude reflects leadership.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Draw a line, my foot. Gruden works for Dan Snyder and, whether he likes it or not, RGIII is a special case.

Snyder should tell Gruden that RGIII will be on the team in 2015, that Gruden must hire a QB Coach, that he (Snyder) expects to receive regular reports from Gruden on RGIII's progress, and that Gruden needs to watch his mouth when he talks to the media about RGIII. Snyder made a big investment in RGIII and he has a right to ensure that every reasonable measure is taken to try to get RGIII on the field as the starting QB of his franchise.

Gruden has not done all he can do to get RGIII ready to play and now he's trying to blow off his responsibility for that objective which he surely must have been given when he was hired. I am not impressed.

If this is true - this is why we will continue to suck forever more. Snyder doesn't know shit about quarterbacks. He doesn't know shit about how to coach a football team - he is a terrible evaluator of talent. RG3 has been benched by two different head coaches in two years. If RG3 is here next year he will almost certainly be benched again. I don't know what they see in this guy, but i am not a professional nor a scout or anything of that nature. I don't know why they need to see more of RG3 to know what they have. The NFL has saw that he is a poor quarterback, with poor fundamentals and mechanics. Former NFL Head Coaches have anonymously said that the Redskins made a tremendous error in drafting Griffin.

Snyder can't continue to bring in coaches, and then when those coaches decide that RG3 sucks, as all coaches will / should, he can't keep firing them and hoping the next guy can make something out of nothing. You can't put lip-stick on a pig. There are some big egos in Washington. Nobody really wants to admit that RG3 was a pig in a poke...

I don't believe he is starting QB caliber or else he would not have been benched two years straight. How many more years do we fail to win a game before people finally give up on RG3? His win-loss record is venturing into Jamarcus Russell territory...at what point can Snyder say enough is enough? 4 years? 10 years?

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by VTSkins1961

option 3 - get rid of both of them.... Not saying I would do it....

Pretty disappointed in both of them, although I still say RG has at least given us some good times, Gruden's been a complete failure so far.

If RG goes to another franchise that coaches him to potential (especially if it's Dallas, meanwhile Gruden fuddles around here without getting results from QB or whoever he turns to next, I hope to God Snyder sees the light and sends Gruden packing with tail pinned to his dumbass.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Pretty disappointed in both of them, although I still say RG has at least given us some good times, Gruden's been a complete failure so far.

If RG goes to another franchise that coaches him to potential (especially if it's Dallas, meanwhile Gruden fuddles around here without getting results from QB or whoever he turns to next, I hope to God Snyder sees the light and sends Gruden packing with tail pinned to his dumbass.

I'm going to trust Gruden on this one. He's actually played the position. He's also been coaching offense for a while now. I'm going to trust that he knows better than anyone one of us, or anyone in the Redskins front office, that Griffin isn't starter material.

[VTSkins1961]

Not Gruden fault but RG3 was not handled the right way from the get go. Coming out of college everyone knew he wasn't a "pro style" QB. It would have been better not to have him start from day 1 and just develop him as a pocket passer, not allow him to do all the comercials and earn his way to be the starter. Should have had him just focus on football. He will never be the QB he could have been coming out of college...too many injuries..damaged goods at this point. Hindsight is everything......

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm going to trust Gruden on this one. He's actually played the position. He's also been coaching offense for a while now. I'm going to trust that he knows better than anyone one of us, or anyone in the Redskins front office, that Griffin isn't starter material.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm going to trust Gruden on this one. He's actually played the position. He's also been coaching offense for a while now. I'm going to trust that he knows better than anyone one of us, or anyone in the Redskins front office, that Griffin isn't starter material.

Word. But still. Just imagine RG balling for the Cowboys in 2-3 years. Jones is already Jonesing for him and one thing about the Cowboys, they take care of their QB and don't hesitate bringing in more coaches, lots of them, to find the right chemistry.