The everything Gruden thread

[mcludka]

I am all for that as long as the QB coach isn't named Zorn.

[mcludka]

Its been very obvious with RG3 from the beginning that reading a defense and pocket awareness weren't his strengths. Why then did we choose a coach who's offense revolves entirely on these skills and no others? At least Shanty moved the pocket and therefore the passer. This was without the read option...
Seems like a bad marriage from the get go.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by mcludka

Its been very obvious with RG3 from the beginning that reading a defense and pocket awareness weren't his strengths. Why then did we choose a coach who's offense revolves entirely on these skills and no others? At least Shanty moved the pocket and therefore the passer. This was without the read option...
Seems like a bad marriage from the get go.

Because these are things a pro QB needs to be successful. Long term, you can not have a good pro offense without a QB who doesn't have these things. NFL defenses adjust too fast to have a QB who depends on rollouts and read option. I could see it in the 49 game, the outside lineman were staying at home and were right in RG3s face on the few rollouts they did.

The CFL style mobile QB was never going to work in the NFL. People were fooled in 2012 because of RG3, Kaepernick, Newton, and Russel had success. However it was short lived.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Because these are things a pro QB needs to be successful. Long term, you can not have a good pro offense without a QB who doesn't have these things. NFL defenses adjust too fast to have a QB who depends on rollouts and read option. I could see it in the 49 game, the outside lineman were staying at home and were right in RG3s face on the few rollouts they did.

The CFL style mobile QB was never going to work in the NFL. People were fooled in 2012 because of RG3, Kaepernick, Newton, and Russel had success. However it was short lived.

it takes experience, you can't judge them until 8 years in.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

it takes experience, you can't judge them until 8 years in.

What?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What?

I think this is a passive agressive remark in regards to how we feel Gruden can't be judged on his first year alone.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think this is a passive agressive remark in regards to how we feel Gruden can't be judged on his first year alone.

I think it is just a stupid remark

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What?

If I may answer for Gary,
Gruden will feel my wrath. He will know when his day comes when he cant throw out of the backfield to Morris. Than the seventh sign is that Snyder knows he made a mistake asking for RG-3 to leave town! Please.
(Or something along those lines)


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[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

it takes experience, you can't judge them until 8 years in.

Easily the stupidest statement I have ever read.

[SFREDSKIN]

If for some reason the Redskins were to trade RGIII, I would
Reach out to Chicago and ask for Kyle Long in return, Cutler is done there.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by mcludka

Its been very obvious with RG3 from the beginning that reading a defense and pocket awareness weren't his strengths. Why then did we choose a coach who's offense revolves entirely on these skills and no others? At least Shanty moved the pocket and therefore the passer. This was without the read option...
Seems like a bad marriage from the get go.

He also can't move in the pocket without taking his eyes off the receivers down field, or scramble left and throw, or accept blame with out throwing his team under the bus.

How easy is a guy that has all those limitations to defend?

Our defense looked great against the same type of qb with a better skill set in the 49ers game.

The measuring stick should be our defense. If we can defend it, it sucks. The Seattle game is a bit of an outlier but our d kept us in the game. If our olbs were strict on their responsibilities we would have been good that game.

Luck made the same defense in the very next week look like the worst in the league because he isn't a one trick pony who runs plays with a single read.

What about Griffin has given anybody the notion he can develop into a pocket passer?

The best running qb right now is Wilson and he has an awesome line. Seattle isn't even a top 10 offense. Does that means defenses have adjusted to the running qb? Idk. There is a strong argument though, that if Griffin matches Wilson's abilities we still aren't going to be as effective as an more traditional offense with a qb who can pick apart an offense.

The NFL has changed, it isn't 2012. A qb that can progress through reads and make changes preplay has a higher ceiling than one who doesnt.

On a tangent, Griffin doesn't have that intangible slickness to keep himself alive like Wilson.

I would love to be wrong on this.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

He also can't move in the pocket without taking his eyes off the receivers down field, or scramble left and throw, or accept blame with out throwing his team under the bus.



How easy is a guy that has all those limitations to defend?



Our defense looked great against the same type of qb with a better skill set in the 49ers game.



The measuring stick should be our defense. If we can defend it, it sucks. The Seattle game is a bit of an outlier but our d kept us in the game. If our olbs were strict on their responsibilities we would have been good that game.



Luck made the same defense in the very next week look like the worst in the league because he isn't a one trick pony who runs plays with a single read.



What about Griffin has given anybody the notion he can develop into a pocket passer?



The best running qb right now is Wilson and he has an awesome line. Seattle isn't even a top 10 offense. Does that means defenses have adjusted to the running qb? Idk. There is a strong argument though, that if Griffin matches Wilson's abilities we still aren't going to be as effective as an more traditional offense with a qb who can pick apart an offense.



The NFL has changed, it isn't 2012. A qb that can progress through reads and make changes preplay has a higher ceiling than one who doesnt.



On a tangent, Griffin doesn't have that intangible slickness to keep himself alive like Wilson.



I would love to be wrong on this.

You are not though. The NFL has changed since 2012. Kap and Wilson are also unable to do what they did than. Griff is soooooo far away from being able to adjust to the game.


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[CASKINS]

Honestly Trading the guy should be off the table if were going to keep him on the bench.

We're screwing ourselves you hurt his trade value by not playing him...well I wouldn't trade him for anymore than a 5th with what I've seen.

What exactly are we planning here??

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by mcludka

I am all for that as long as the QB coach isn't named Zorn.

Flacco really progressed with Zorn as a QB coach.