Jets In The Market For Qb! (MEGA MERGE)

[skinsfan0201]

Yeah and suddenly Matt Leinhart will come in and shine in the NFL. What is the point of any of this verbage right now?

[Gmanc711]

I was reading over at gangreen.com that Penningtons career could indeed be over. Wouldnt that be somthing.

[skinsfan0201]

Aren't we jumping the gun a little here guys? YES!!!!

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by skinsfan0201

Aren't we jumping the gun a little here guys? YES!!!!

The NFL Network just reported that Chad Pennington tore his rotator cuff again and is out for the season. It is possible that his career is over. Now that puts the future of Ramsey square in the hands of the Jets and their first round draft pick. I say Gibbs deals Ramsey for nothing less than that. The Jets are looking at Jesse Palmer, Jonathan Quinn and Quincy Carter. I sure Vinny Testeverde told them to kiss his ass. Ramsey as a Jet is sounding more and more the "real deal."

[steveo395]

I still think ramsey is the best qb we have, but I know he's pretty much guaranteed not to play again for this team. If we can get a good draft pick for him, I say definitely take it.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by steveo395

I still think ramsey is the best qb we have, but I know he's pretty much guaranteed not to play again for this team. If we can get a good draft pick for him, I say definitely take it.

Never liked him and certainly didn't think he was the future of the team. If Eli Manning and Kyle Orton can start, Jason Campbell certainly can start and Gibbs can scale back the playcalling until he is comfortable with the offense. them the same way Ramsey did last year.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I was reading over at gangreen.com that Penningtons career could indeed be over. Wouldnt that be somthing.

That would really suck for Pennington!

[FRPLG]

I seriously doubt the Jets would be interested in Ramsey right now. They are a playoff caliber team with no QB. Fiedler is out for who knows how long. Pennington is done for the year so they've got Bollinger and....? They are going to want a veteran who can learn the offense, protect the ball and handoff to Martin. One thing Rmsey hasn't shown a propensity to do lately is protect the ball. Ramsey might be a good long term solution for a team but not a short term one. I would love for them to give us a high pick for him but I don't think it is in the cards.

[CrazyCanuck]

Nothing personal but I think a bunch of you guys are getting carried away here. I don't see Ramsey going anywhere until the off-season at the earliest.

Gibbs is paranoid about the QB position as it is, why would he trade Ramsey now? Remember Gibbs flip-flopped Shroeder and Williams back and forth to the point that they hated each other. Why can't that scenario unfold here (without the hating part)? I think part of the reason Gibbs pulled PR so early was to give him a wake-up call and fire him up in anticipation of a return later this season. I mean if Brunnell goes down or sucks it up bad, even for a half, Ramsey could be right back in there. Do you think he'd be motivated? Think he'd throw a stupid pick on the 1st series?

While Gibbs does have the future in mind, his first priority is to win games. He's fair to his players, but he's not gonna dump Ramsey mid-season for junk when the Skins are 2-0 and alone in 1st, just because Ramsey's feelings may be hurt. Gibbs wants to win always, including right now.

Then there's the fact that Ramsey is signed thru 2006 relatively cheap, while Brunnell's contract is a behemoth that very well may have to be dumped at year's end. I mean 2 weeks ago a June 1st 2006 Brunell cut was practically a given. So if we trade Ramsey and dump Brunell at year's end that leaves us with...

...Campbell. I like what I hear but is a rookie really ready to take control of this team if Brunnell goes down? How'd the great Kyle Orton do this week? QB is tough and it takes time. Big Ben was the exception last year not the rule. I mean I'm worried enough about Campbell next year let alone this year. Keep in mind that we're a FIRST PLACE TEAM right now. We should be thinking that way. I know Gibbs is. The future is now.

So I really don't see Ramsey moving this year unless:
A. Campbell is really ahead of Ramsey on the 2005 depth chart
and
B. The offer for Ramsey is astronomical.

In the offseason if Gibbs really has no future plans for Ramsey, I think we'll let him go. I doubt Gibbs would hold him hostage here and force him to play out his contract, even if we have to dump Brunell.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Nothing personal but I think a bunch of you guys are getting carried away here. I don't see Ramsey going anywhere until the off-season at the earliest.

Gibbs is paranoid about the QB position as it is, why would he trade Ramsey now? Remember Gibbs flip-flopped Shroeder and Williams back and forth to the point that they hated each other. Why can't that scenario unfold here (without the hating part)? I think part of the reason Gibbs pulled PR so early was to give him a wake-up call and fire him up in anticipation of a return later this season. I mean if Brunnell goes down or sucks it up bad, even for a half, Ramsey could be right back in there. Do you think he'd be motivated? Think he'd throw a stupid pick on the 1st series?

While Gibbs does have the future in mind, his first priority is to win games. He's fair to his players, but he's not gonna dump Ramsey mid-season for junk when the Skins are 2-0 and alone in 1st, just because Ramsey's feelings may be hurt. Gibbs wants to win always, including right now.

Then there's the fact that Ramsey is signed thru 2006 relatively cheap, while Brunnell's contract is a behemoth that very well may have to be dumped at year's end. I mean 2 weeks ago a June 1st 2006 Brunell cut was practically a given. So if we trade Ramsey and dump Brunell at year's end that leaves us with...

...Campbell. I like what I hear but is a rookie really ready to take control of this team if Brunnell goes down? How'd the great Kyle Orton do this week? QB is tough and it takes time. Big Ben was the exception last year not the rule. I mean I'm worried enough about Campbell next year let alone this year. Keep in mind that we're a FIRST PLACE TEAM right now. We should be thinking that way. I know Gibbs is. The future is now.

So I really don't see Ramsey moving this year unless:
A. Campbell is really ahead of Ramsey on the 2005 depth chart
and
B. The offer for Ramsey is astronomical.

In the offseason if Gibbs really has no future plans for Ramsey, I think we'll let him go. I doubt Gibbs would hold him hostage here and force him to play out his contract, even if we have to dump Brunell.

Canuck you are scaring me...this might be one of the only logical posts in the history of Brunell/Ramsey debate on this forum. Quick someone get out the flamethrower......just kidding. Nice post.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Nothing personal but I think a bunch of you guys are getting carried away here. I don't see Ramsey going anywhere until the off-season at the earliest.

Gibbs is paranoid about the QB position as it is, why would he trade Ramsey now? Remember Gibbs flip-flopped Shroeder and Williams back and forth to the point that they hated each other. Why can't that scenario unfold here (without the hating part)? I think part of the reason Gibbs pulled PR so early was to give him a wake-up call and fire him up in anticipation of a return later this season. I mean if Brunnell goes down or sucks it up bad, even for a half, Ramsey could be right back in there. Do you think he'd be motivated? Think he'd throw a stupid pick on the 1st series?

While Gibbs does have the future in mind, his first priority is to win games. He's fair to his players, but he's not gonna dump Ramsey mid-season for junk when the Skins are 2-0 and alone in 1st, just because Ramsey's feelings may be hurt. Gibbs wants to win always, including right now.

Then there's the fact that Ramsey is signed thru 2006 relatively cheap, while Brunnell's contract is a behemoth that very well may have to be dumped at year's end. I mean 2 weeks ago a June 1st 2006 Brunell cut was practically a given. So if we trade Ramsey and dump Brunell at year's end that leaves us with...

...Campbell. I like what I hear but is a rookie really ready to take control of this team if Brunnell goes down? How'd the great Kyle Orton do this week? QB is tough and it takes time. Big Ben was the exception last year not the rule. I mean I'm worried enough about Campbell next year let alone this year. Keep in mind that we're a FIRST PLACE TEAM right now. We should be thinking that way. I know Gibbs is. The future is now.

So I really don't see Ramsey moving this year unless:
A. Campbell is really ahead of Ramsey on the 2005 depth chart
and
B. The offer for Ramsey is astronomical.

In the offseason if Gibbs really has no future plans for Ramsey, I think we'll let him go. I doubt Gibbs would hold him hostage here and force him to play out his contract, even if we have to dump Brunell.

= hitting the nail on the head.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

It's official, Pennington is out for the season ... let the rumors fly.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8895297

[skinsfan0201]

He is getting a second opinion tomorrow they said on MNF.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by skinsfan0201

He is getting a second opinion tomorrow they said on MNF.

he can get a million opinions. If it's a torn rotator cuff he is done for now. And considering his lack of arm strength in the first place one has to wonder where this puts his career. In jeopardy I would guess. Guranteed that the Jets will address this issue during the off-season but as for now they'd be better off going with Testeverde or a guy like Jeff Blake. Remember the draft is going to have a pretty well regarded QB in Leinart and one of either Brees or Rivers might be available. That puts Ramsey down the list immediately. I am sure there will be some other more attractive options too. I don't think we can count on too much for him but hopefully I am wrong.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Let's just all grab a beer and hug.