RG3 and Gruden?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

That meeting is not an illustration of why this team sucks.

Dan Snyder owns the team. He has a big investment in RGIII. In large part, he hired Gruden to develop RGIII. If Gruden wanted to replace RGIII as the starter why wouldn't he sit down with his boss and show him that Robert needed to developed off the field because he has further to go than Gruden at first realized?

I think it would have been disrespectful for Gruden not to meet with Snyder about something that Gruden knew was very important to the owner of the team.

I'm trying to put myself in that position and if my head coach comes to me and says he's benching the starting QB, and gives me legit reasons, I'm backing my coach. I'm not going to sit in the film room with the coach and go over missed wr's, incorrect drops, throwing late, taking sacks and on and on and on. Especially since Snyder isn't qualified to even be in a film room.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm trying to put myself in that position and if my head coach comes to me and says he's benching the starting QB, and gives me legit reasons, I'm backing my coach. I'm not going to sit in the film room with the coach and go over missed wr's, incorrect drops, throwing late, taking sacks and on and on and on. Especially since Snyder isn't qualified to even be in a film room.

The problem is Snyder thinks he's qualified. He thinks he a football guy and a talent evaluator.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by irish

The problem is Snyder thinks he's qualified. He thinks he a football guy and a talent evaluator.

If he thought he was, he'd be Jerry Jones.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

If he thought he was, he'd be Jerry Jones.

Not even close. For one thing Jones' team is winning, Snyder's isnt. Plus, if Dan Snyder was Jerry Jones he'd have drafted Johnny Manzel.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by irish

Not even close. For one thing Jones' team is winning, Snyder's isnt. Plus, if Dan Snyder was Jerry Jones he'd have drafted Johnny Manzel.

What I meant is that if Snyder thought he was a football man, he'd make himself the GM of the team the way Jones is.

Also, it is well known that Jerry Jones wanted to draft Manziel and his people stopped him from doing it. The difference between Jerry Jones and Snyder, in terms of how the team is operated, it seems that Jones has good people working under him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

What I meant is that if Snyder thought he was a football man, he'd make himself the GM of the team the way Jones is.

Also, it is well known that Jerry Jones wanted to draft Manziel and his people stopped him from doing it. The difference between Jerry Jones and Snyder, in terms of how the team is operated, it seems that Jones has good people working under him.

Obviously Jones isnt afraid to have people surrounding him that will say no. And he listens and take their advice. Maybe that's why his team is winning.

Snyder is surrounded by yes men so in the end Snyder would have told his people to STFU and just draft Manzel.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by irish

Obviously Jones isnt afraid to have people surrounding him that will say no. And he listens and take their advice. Maybe that's why his team is winning.

Snyder is surrounded by yes men so in the end Snyder would have told his people to STFU and just draft Manzel.

So was Shanahan a yes man? Is Bruce Allen?

I know it is stupid for me to think that Snyder hasn't had a say on team decisions, but I think these two guys have been running things since Zorn was canned. If anything, Snyder is guilty of making bad hires.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm trying to put myself in that position and if my head coach comes to me and says he's benching the starting QB, and gives me legit reasons, I'm backing my coach. I'm not going to sit in the film room with the coach and go over missed wr's, incorrect drops, throwing late, taking sacks and on and on and on. Especially since Snyder isn't qualified to even be in a film room.

So you're going to back your rookie coach who wants to sit the player that you hired him to develop after that player plays less than half a season - and do it without even looking more closely into the matter? P-u-l-e-e-e-z-e!

Gruden: "I'm gonna bench RGIII."

skinsfan69: "OK. Thanks for letting me know. Have a nice day!"

Yeah, like that would almost happen.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

So you're going to back your rookie coach who wants to sit the player that you hired him to develop after that player plays less than half a season - and do it without even looking more closely into the matter? P-u-l-e-e-e-z-e!

Gruden: "I'm gonna bench RGIII."

skinsfan69: "OK. Thanks for letting me know. Have a nice day!"

Yeah, like that would almost happen.

haha, it may not quite go like that but there really is no need for an owner to be watching film. Gruden is the person that's MOST qualified over at Redskins Park to make decisions on the QB. Not Dan Snyder. This is all about Snyder's ego.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

haha, it may not quite go like that but there really is no need for an owner to be watching film. Gruden is the person that's MOST qualified over at Redskins Park to make decisions on the QB. Not Dan Snyder. This is all about Snyder's ego.

I'm sure it also has to do with the ton of money the team is invested in RG3.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

haha, it may not quite go like that but there really is no need for an owner to be watching film. Gruden is the person that's MOST qualified over at Redskins Park to make decisions on the QB. Not Dan Snyder. This is all about Snyder's ego.

People say Snyder is not a football person, but he has been an owner of the Redskins since 1999. I'm sure he has learned how to look at film and understand what he looking at. 15 years is a career in other businesses.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

People say Snyder is not a football person, but he has been an owner of the Redskins since 1999. I'm sure he has learned how to look at film and understand what he looking at. 15 years is a career in other businesses.

I'd just add ultimately it's his team, his money. If he wants to sit down with his first year HC and say tell me what you're seeing in RG3 so be it. I don't see why that's so crazy.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'd just add ultimately it's his team, his money. If he wants to sit down with his first year HC and say tell me what you're seeing in RG3 so be it. I don't see why that's so crazy.

I think a smart man would say " I've screwed this organization up royally. I'm going to leave football stuff to the professionals".

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

People say Snyder is not a football person, but he has been an owner of the Redskins since 1999. I'm sure he has learned how to look at film and understand what he looking at. 15 years is a career in other businesses.

On the business side of football, yeah he's probably got things locked down pretty good. On the actual talent evaluation side, nope. Otherwise he never would have approved the Griffin trade.