RG3 and Gruden?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The one thing I'll say, Dan was smart enough to go get Joe Gibbs and let him restore order. He gave him complete control and Gibbs made the playoffs twice without a real QB. If Dan finds someone he think is capable, he will step aside and do it.

Problem is Dan just might not be willing to eat the $20M left on Gruden's salary.

The real problem is why give an unproven coach a 5 year 25 mill contract? It's not like Gruden was the toast of the NFL and everyone wanted to hire.

[irish]

Originally Posted by saden1

The real problem is why give an unproven coach a 5 year 25 mill contract? It's not like Gruden was the toast of the NFL and everyone wanted to hire.

They just fired the proven coach to give the unproven coach his chance. They have tried every type of coach (new, old, proven, unproven, college...) and none has worked. Other than for a nice payday why would any coach want to come to this cluster F of an organization?

[Fiversons]

Originally Posted by irish

They just fired the proven coach to give the unproven coach his chance. They have tried every type of coach (new, old, proven, unproven, college...) and none has worked. Other than for a nice payday why would any coach want to come to this cluster F of an organization?

No proven or highly sought after coach would... In fact, most of them would already have us crossed out when the process starts...

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Fiversons

No proven or highly sought after coach would... In fact, most of them would already have us crossed out when the process starts...

That is exactly what many people said on several occasions right before Snyder hired a big-name coach.

[Fiversons]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

That is exactly what many people said on several occasions right before Snyder hired a big-name coach.

He has hired one, Mike... Mike was also given complete player control... Worked out well...

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Fiversons

He has hired one, Mike... Mike was also given complete player control... Worked out well...

Schottenheimer, Spurrier, and Gibbs.

[Fiversons]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Schottenheimer, Spurrier, and Gibbs.

Gibbs doesn't count, the others were before people realized he sucks as an owner... Look, I don't really care, but if you think highly sought after coaches have Washington pegged as one of their top choices, then you don't live on planet earth...

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Fiversons

He has hired one, Mike... Mike was also given complete player control... Worked out well...

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Schottenheimer, Spurrier, and Gibbs.

Yeah, Shanahan might have been the anomaly, in being allowed to keep control as long as he was here.

Schottenheimer - perfect example of Snyder's meddling. Snyder fired him after only one season, specifically for not giving up total control of the team. Schotty had a win streak to end the season, with JAG (Tony Banks?) at QB.

Spurrier - Just told Cerrato, "get me players". Was totally fine with getting Matthews or Woeful(sp?) because they were "cheap and available". Spurrier may not even have been aware when one player was cut. LINK

Gibbs - Was said to have been given complete control. And it's hard to imagine Snyder, reportedly an avid Skins fan, ever challenging the only coach to bring us SB rings. Yet there's quotes like these floating out there:

Joe Gibbs was a master at this. You could see it during his four seasons, how he massaged Snyder and Vinny Cerrato’s egos during news conferences, etc. Made them feel like they were giving invaluable input all the time. Gibbs also knew when to let Snyder “win;” in other words, he knew when to pick his battles. Gibbs also knew Snyder idolized him. Who didn't?
As one person from that staff once said, “That way, when it came time to pick his fights with Dan, he’d get what he wanted. He managed Dan well.”

A former member of the Redskins’ personnel department said Snyder’s involvement with the football operation typically outmatches his football expertise.“He can’t ever get it right because he wants to be involved in it all,” he said. “He wants to have input in everything.”

Except this is what Gibbs said at the time. Like, from April, 2007:

“The three of us [Gibbs, Snyder and Cerrato] normally at the end of it try and come up with a final game plan for the draft....Dan’s philosophy is to be aggressive. We fall in the category of being more aggressive and it’s based on Dan being as aggressive as he is.”

Or this, from September, 2006:

“We talk a lot. We are back and forth all the time. We work down the hall from one another. I count on his opinion. He’s very instrumental on the draft, the salary-cap, free agency, strategy on how the team should be built.”

Or this from the Virginian-Pilot in April, 2007, about draft prep:

The highest-rated players are brought in for meetings with owner Dan Snyder, Gibbs and other organization members. A meal is arranged as a final effort to find any nugget of new information....Snyder, Gibbs and Cerrato also will meet during this period to review how well certain prospects might fit in the organization.

Or this, from the AP in 2007:

Gibbs is holding several days of talks with owner Dan Snyder about the direction of the team. The coach said he’s “willing to talk about anything,” but he called “incorrect” any assumptions that he was open to hiring a general manager or that he would change the team’s aggressive approach in making offseason moves.

Or this from the Washington Times in 2007, which reported that Snyder had attended two draft workouts, including that of Calvin Johnson:

“[Johnson’s workout] was really impressive,” Snyder said. “We’ve had dinner with 25 of the first-round picks, and we tried to cover as much ground as we could in a limited amount of time.”

So, at the risk of being obsessed, let me point out that during the Gibbs Era, there was no meddling and nobody talked to Dan Snyder about football and all he did was sign the checks, and also the draft strategy was based on his philosophy and he was instrumental in shaping the team’s free agency approach and he met with draft prospects and watched their workouts.

Got it.

I think the last stuff, is stuff that Shanahan complained about Snyder doing with RG3 and RG2, isn't it?

I would appreciate ppl like Smootsmack and Matty telling me where this stuff and the stuff I'm saying about it is wrong or exaggerated. If they disagree with me, I'm probably wrong. Stuff can get twisted in any news media genre.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Fiversons

No proven or highly sought after coach would... In fact, most of them would already have us crossed out when the process starts...

there are 32 of the jobs in the world . . . and far more eligible coaches (good qualified coaches) than that

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by saden1

The real problem is why give an unproven coach a 5 year 25 mill contract? It's not like Gruden was the toast of the NFL and everyone wanted to hire.

True. Especially because we were one of the last teams with a vacancy. We had the leverage at that point.

But hey I found another positive. Since it doesn't look like Griffin is worthy of that $15M a year contract we all thought he'd get, imagine the cap space we have available to make improvements.

Now if only our owner could manage to find a competent football boss to identify the players to take that money.