Fix the Line Thread

[OnceWeWereKings]

I was all for Moses...but after watching people dance past him this year when he was given the opportunity, I already feel like he is a bust. Draft all oline and db this year. If free agents come along. Get them. But don't over pay for fucks sake. We dug stupid holes for ourselves overpaying for useless players. Stop the trend and draft and develop.

[tc2deuce]

sign
Bryan Buluga OT (26)
Clint Boling G (26)
James Carpenter G (26)

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I started posting this and then messed it up by clicking on accident, but a crazy thought: what if we actually did EXACTLY what the draft experts said?

I looked back in the first three rounds over the past five years and honestly we would have had a shot at some GREAT players. Do scouts over-think? Do coaches over-think? It's very hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but are the draft experts so bad? We've gotten some gems for sure, but just glancing at draft boards the past few years, if we followed exactly what was posted, we'd be alright I think.

[Hog1]

There do seem to be some issues in our talent evaluation...
Just not enough keepers...

[Ruhskins]

I wish the media would hound the team about this more, instead they are too busy beating the dead horse with the QB position.

Since Danny looks up to Jerry Jones so much, he should notice how the Cowpukes have invested on their o-line, including three first round picks.

[Redskin Warrior]

We need to spend the next two drafts getting the trenches together. Draft OL and DL because no protection and no pressure = no wins. Along with coaches that bring the best out of players. I read someone posted Bacarri Rambo picked off Aaron Rodgers twice and looks like a different player now he is not in DC. I remember no one thought he would play another down in the league and damn sure didn't believe he would pick off a top 5 QB twice in one game.

[ethat001]

Wait wait wait..

YES. Our offensive line definitely needs help / redrafting / etc.


BUT:
1) RB/TE: Many of the sacks during the year were due to the RB / TE who SUCK at pass protection. It's our fault for drafting RB who can't block, and the RB/TE coaches fault for not teaching it better. Come on.
2) QB: Many of the sacks are from QB's holding the ball too long.
3) Bad offense/defense: Lack of offensive production leads to 3rd and longs and bad defense leads to playing from behind -- and both lead to more blitzing / more sacks.
4) Scheme - I wonder if more roll outs, more focus on run game, more variety of screen passes -- all would help decrease the sacks.


It's easy to say the O-line sucks and at times they do -- but it's not always their fault.. And finally, we REALLY need to develop our own talent. Bruce hasn't done much, but also hasn't gotten much help from his coaches in developing talent.

[Chico23231]

Our Oline has giving up 53 sacks already this year, the skins record is 61 for a season. Folks, every single player and coach job should be on the line, including silverback.

[drew54]

As much new blood as possible will be beneficial. New coaching alone is not going to solve this problem. Chris Foerster, thanks for your time, now here's the door.

It is ridiculous to me that three third round OL haven't been able to break into the starting lineup.

Any free agent signing should be a guy who is 27 or younger. I personally think they should target trading down once to add an additional pick this year in the first three rounds. IMO, unless they are dead set on Scherff or Ogbuehi, trading down makes the most sense. The only way to "win" at the draft, is to have as many picks as possible.

[SFREDSKIN]

If Gruden returns as reports say and him and RGIII can't co-exist and they trade him. I would look to see if an RGIII for Kyle Long is possible.

[SirLK26]

Cooley would disagree with a lot on this board. He seems to be of the opinion that our offensive line as a whole is actually solid... pins a lot of the blame on the QBs, RBs, and TEs.

I think Trent and Lavuao for sure are going to be starters next year, both because they fit what Gruden wants and because they've been getting the job done. Lichtensteiger has been our best lineman at times, but he's smaller and not as powerful as Trent and Lavuao. I think there's a decent chance he starts next year. Chester I can't see starting. I don't care what Gruden and Cooley say, he needs to hit the road. At RT, Compton has been better than Polumbus, but of course that's not setting the bar very high. I think Moses(depending on health) and Compton battle for the job next year, with maybe someone else thrown in the mix.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Cooley would disagree with a lot on this board. He seems to be of the opinion that our offensive line as a whole is actually solid... pins a lot of the blame on the QBs, RBs, and TEs.

Well, I do agree with Cooley on the issues of the RBs & TEs blocking. I would also add in the wide receivers. I also agree in terms of the quarterbacks holding onto the ball too long.

But, I don't agree that the offensive line is solid. It needs a lot of work.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Well, I do agree with Cooley on the issues of the RBs & TEs blocking. I would also add in the wide receivers. I also agree in terms of the quarterbacks holding onto the ball too long.

But, I don't agree that the offensive line is solid. It needs a lot of work.

Listen about everyday. Never heard him say the line was good, just that they are getting a disproportionate amount of the blame.

Cooley blamed 6 of the 7 sacks from the NY game on Griffin.

[DYoungJelly]

Any indication Moses could move to guard?

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Cooley would disagree with a lot on this board. He seems to be of the opinion that our offensive line as a whole is actually solid... pins a lot of the blame on the QBs, RBs, and TEs.

I think Trent and Lavuao for sure are going to be starters next year, both because they fit what Gruden wants and because they've been getting the job done. Lichtensteiger has been our best lineman at times, but he's smaller and not as powerful as Trent and Lavuao. I think there's a decent chance he starts next year. Chester I can't see starting. I don't care what Gruden and Cooley say, he needs to hit the road. At RT, Compton has been better than Polumbus, but of course that's not setting the bar very high. I think Moses(depending on health) and Compton battle for the job next year, with maybe someone else thrown in the mix.

I think offensive line and DB is priority #1 and #2.
I tend to agree with this up to a certain point. That point being we need a new RT and Guard. It is unfair to fully evaluate players when there are such huge holes in the starting line up (O-line & secondary). Trent (great), Lavauao (ok) and Lichtensteiger (ok) should stay. Lavauao could always be moved to RG if a better guard is found, he is more of a RG type anyway. The other OLineman on the roster should not thrown out in the trash just yet, especially the young guys.

We better not get spend significant cap space/money on more Qb's or WR's until the O-line and secondary is repaired. It is unfair to fully evaluate players when there are such huge holes in the starting line up