New Defensive Coordinator 2015

[MTK]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

They need to scrap the 3-4 defense....outside of Chris Neild who played NT at West Virginia the Redskins never had the correct personnel for it. Kerrigan and Orakpo are natural DEs. Barry Cofield played NT at Northwestern but has spent most of his career playing DT......Jarvis Jenkins is also a natural DT. Jackson Jeffcoat like Orakpo, played DE at Texas.....they need to return to the 4-3 since they have the right personnel for it......and keep Haslett and let him coordinate with this particular personnel in the 4-3.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Lmao. That is the best .gif to describe a response to that post ever.

Definitely a head scratcher.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Lmao. That is the best .gif to describe a response to that post ever.

Definitely a head scratcher.

You or MattyK didn't understand what I was saying....in short Orakpo or Kerrigan can play OLBs in a 3-4, but they are better suited as 4-3 DEs with their hands in the dirt....not just Kerrigan and Orakpo, but most of the Redskins OLBs were DEs in college....Most of their defensive front were defensive tackles playing in a 4-3 originally.....thus since they really have mostly 4-3 personnel they should be running the 4-3.....got it?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

You or MattyK didn't understand what I was saying....in short Orakpo or Kerrigan can play OLBs in a 3-4, but they are better suited as 4-3 DEs with their hands in the dirt....not just Kerrigan and Orakpo, but most of the Redskins OLBs were DEs in college....Most of their defensive front were defensive tackles playing in a 4-3 originally.....thus since they really have mostly 4-3 personnel they should be running the 4-3.....got it?

you know they play a lot of snaps in a 4-3 right? you have watched the games i'd assume...

and kerrigan has 13 sacks and counting now, making him top 5 in the league. so i'm not sure what alternate reality you're getting your facts from, but i'd have to side with matty on this one.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you know they play a lot of snaps in a 4-3 right? you have watched the games i'd assume...

and kerrigan has 13 sacks and counting now, making him top 5 in the league. so i'm not sure what alternate reality you're getting your facts from, but i'd have to side with matty on this one.

I have watched the games....they might have four down linemen pushing the opposing offensive line at times, but the 4-3 is not their every down alignment like it should be. The Redskins have players that can play in a 3-4 but who are better suited for a 4-3....it doesn't make sense for the coaches to take guys who naturally play one thing, draft them or sign them as FAs and have them do something else....if Kerrigan played DE on every down he would have even more sacks than he does...

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I have watched the games....they might have four down linemen pushing the opposing offensive line at times, but the 4-3 is not their every down alignment like it should be. The Redskins have players that can play in a 3-4 but who are better suited for a 4-3....it doesn't make sense for the coaches to take guys who naturally play one thing, draft them or sign them as FAs and have them do something else....if Kerrigan played DE on every down he would have even more sacks than he does...

quick things:

assuming kerrigan would be better as a DE is just that, an assumption, based solely on your opinion. I'd just say that if you end a season with 13+ sacks, you've done something right, and that kerrigan has proved he's playing where he should. I think orakpo would fare better as a 4-3 DE, but not kerrigan, who (unlike orakpo), was drafted specifically to play OLB in a 3-4.

Grilliams used a LOT of 3-4 in his 4-3, and it seemed to work out fine.

I think there's a problem with the players (and injuries) and also possibly the DC (he's never had a great defense here, and only 1-2 decent years in a very long career).

injuries:
hatcher (DE)
cofield (DT)
carriker (DE)
neild (DT)
orakpo (LB)
murphy (LB)
Hall (CB)
porter (CB)
merriweather (S)
Ihenacho (S)

and that's just people that were supposed to be top 3 at there position. so believe it or not, we would have been awful in a 4-3 too. if it really were that simple, don't you think a staff of people paid millions per year would at least consider it at some point during the last few years?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I have watched the games....they might have four down linemen pushing the opposing offensive line at times, but the 4-3 is not their every down alignment like it should be. The Redskins have players that can play in a 3-4 but who are better suited for a 4-3....it doesn't make sense for the coaches to take guys who naturally play one thing, draft them or sign them as FAs and have them do something else....if Kerrigan played DE on every down he would have even more sacks than he does...

There is a really good article about the Cowboys defense switch to a 4-3 which basically quotes Lovie Smith that preaches simplicity.

Lovie Smith Explains The Big Advantage Of The 4-3 Defense - Blogging The Boys

Says it is much simpler to plug guys into the front of the 4-3 with a rush first responsibility because of the limited time with coaches after the cba.

Makes sense to me, but I'm not a football guru.

There seems to be more pressure from our 3rd down nickle sets with 4 rushing down lineman that are not playing gap first. More does not equal much. Murphy and Kerrigan next to each were stout on 3rd downs.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

There is a really good article about the Cowboys defense switch to a 4-3 which basically quotes Lovie Smith that preaches simplicity.

Lovie Smith Explains The Big Advantage Of The 4-3 Defense - Blogging The Boys

Says it is much simpler to plug guys into the front of the 4-3 with a rush first responsibility because of the limited time with coaches after the cba.

Makes sense to me, but I'm not a football guru.

There seems to be more pressure from our 3rd down nickle sets with 4 rushing down lineman that are not playing gap first. More does not equal much. Murphy and Kerrigan next to each were stout on 3rd downs.

TL;DR Version - 3-4 Defense cheaper, more players capable of being plugged in, better suited for passing league, just needs new DC.

I still like the 3-4 better though. For starters from a pure cost perspective its generally cheaper, which is a huge plus with a salary cap.

On top of that I believe its easier to find pass rushers for a couple reasons. For starters your pool of talent ranges from DE's in 4-3 systems to OLB's in 4-3 systems. I also like the idea of 3 big DT's in the middle occupying blockers rather than 2 DT's for edge rushers.

I also feel its easier to find productive 3-4 OLB's then it is 4-3 DE's. If you look at the Top 6 leaders in sacks for 2014 (6 because our own Ryan Kerrigan is tied with Mario Williams at present time) 4 out of 6 are 3-4 OLB's. 5 out of 6 play in a 3-4 ( though in all fairness JJ Watt is kind of a freak regardless so I don't think his production is so much a reflection of the system as much as his once in a generation level talent).

Nose Guard can be kind of tough to fill but it seems much easier than finding a 4-3 DT that can collapse the pocket and get after the passer. Paying guys like Vince Wilfolk who are just space eaters in the middle is on average a hell of a lot cheaper then gap penetrators (cough Haynesworth cough).

In a passing league I have no problem with a 3-4 system that on average provides more flexibility for disguising coverage as well as more athletic guys on the field when using the base package. Mostly lowering the frequency of needing to use 6 in the box 4-2 Nickle Packages. In all honesty I believe the problem is more Haslet then the 3-4 itself.

I've long since admired Rex Ryan as a coach so if we got a chance to put him in his ideal role as a Defensive Coordinator rather than a Head Coach I feel we would see a pretty sizeable improvement over years past. Not to mention he would likely be easy to keep as a Defensive Coordinator since teams will likely be gun shy on making him a HC going forward.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

You or MattyK didn't understand what I was saying....in short Orakpo or Kerrigan can play OLBs in a 3-4, but they are better suited as 4-3 DEs with their hands in the dirt....not just Kerrigan and Orakpo, but most of the Redskins OLBs were DEs in college....Most of their defensive front were defensive tackles playing in a 4-3 originally.....thus since they really have mostly 4-3 personnel they should be running the 4-3.....got it?

You really lost me on keeping Haz.

3-4 or 4-3 really doesn't matter.

[VTSkins1961]

Not to much as long as HAZ is is fired

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You really lost me on keeping Haz.

3-4 or 4-3 really doesn't matter.