Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Will you please explain the importance of draft position and results on the field?
I think you will find our secondary was voted most popular with the league QB's who can chuck the rock over 50 yards. No doubt their guy would not be covered by our guy. Perhaps the coaches forgot to tell them "HEY! when that Cheetah looking dude blows by you like 80 mph.....don't forget to follow him!!! Sadly we all to often....forgot
BTW....did you see any Skins games this year? You may have noticed Hall was not in there or is that coaching as well?
Clark is at least a year or two to late....and slow. Did I ask you if you watched any Skins games this year? Jury is still out on Amerson...but I have high hopes four him.
Breeland looks like the real deal.. very happy about that. Thomas is....totally a wait and see guy as he has not been healthy long enough to evaluate.
I noticed you failed to point out the instances where I suggested the unit was well coached. Why is that?
Did we discuss the part about relationship of draft position and results on the field? Let me help:
RYAN LEAF?
AKILI SMITH?
JEMARCUS RUSSEL.....to name a few

Look up "talent" and get back to me, ok? Are you denying the last ppl you name weren't talented? My point is so far over your head at this point, it's having to register its flight path with the FAA.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Look up "talent" and get back to me, ok? Are you denying the last ppl you name weren't talented? My point is so far over your head at this point, it's having to register its flight path with the FAA.

Here again, you cleverly avoided addressing anything I posted....better that way I am sure for you.
BUT..alas...NO I do think as I have "already stated" Breeland and Amerson I think can play....but NO as I have "already Stated" Clark is way done unless we need him to hold open the revolving door to our pass coverage. Hall...who knows how he will return...but did you know...as I "already stated" he did not play this year....like in games....this year.

Is this information on your flight path?

I took your advice...according to Miriam Webster, Talent is "the special ability to do something well". I would certainly not describe our unit as a whole in those terms...with the exception of Am and Bree.
More importantly, I have become bored with this nonsensical exercise in avoidance.....soo
httr

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Here again, you cleverly avoided addressing anything I posted....better that way I am sure for you.
BUT..alas...NO I do think as I have "already stated" Breeland and Amerson I think can play....but NO as I have "already Stated" Clark is way done unless we need him to hold open the revolving door to our pass coverage. Hall...who knows how he will return...but did you know...as I "already stated" he did not play this year....like in games....this year.

Is this information on your flight path?

I took your advice...according to Miriam Webster, Talent is "the special ability to do something well". I would certainly not describe our unit as a whole in those terms...with the exception of Am and Bree.
More importantly, I have become bored with this nonsensical exercise in avoidance.....soo
httr

You defended Morris with our secondary's (your words) "...."talent""

Amerson, Bree, Thomas, wouldn't have been drafted as high as they were without talent. Clark and Hall wouldn't have done as well as they have done without talent.

Even if you want to point out Clark and Hall are over the hill, the rest are not.

There is no defense of Morris, or any of our defensive coaches, on the basis of getting scraps or JAGs.

Maybe if you re-read the last couple pages, and my response to Lotus for example, my point might be clearer. FAA, hell. My point may have to register with NASA now. lol. HTTR

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

You defended Morris with our secondary's (your words) "...."talent""

Amerson, Bree, Thomas, wouldn't have been drafted as high as they were without talent. Clark and Hall wouldn't have done as well as they have done without talent.

Even if you want to point out Clark and Hall are over the hill, the rest are not.

There is no defense of Morris, or any of our defensive coaches, on the basis of getting scraps or JAGs.

Maybe if you re-read the last couple pages, and my response to Lotus for example, my point might be clearer. FAA, hell. My point may have to register with NASA now. lol. HTTR

No one here is arguing against the idea that Morris has coached poorly. But it is ALSO true that he has not been given the tools to work with.

To understand this, please answer the question I asked before: what capable, long-term starter help has Morris been given specifically at safety?

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Lotus

No one here is arguing against the idea that Morris has coached poorly. But it is ALSO true that he has not been given the tools to work with.

To understand this, please answer the question I asked before: what capable, long-term starter help has Morris been given specifically at safety?

Your question doesn't apply to why the redskins secondary has sucked the past few seasons. Vet players were added, like Merriweather and Clark.

But just to humor you: The redskins drafted Philip Thomas with a 4th rd and Rambo with a 6th rd in 2013. Remember this quote from Rambo: (Bills vs Skins) "The coaches require you to watch film."
2012 they drafted Bernstine in the 7th. 2011 they drafted Gomes in the 5th.

So why dont we have capable long term starter help for safety, despite 4 picks the last 4 years? Shouldn't we have at least one starter from that?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Lotus

please answer the question I asked before: what capable, long-term starter help has Morris been given specifically at safety?

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Your question doesn't apply to why the redskins secondary has sucked the past few seasons.

Wait, the question of "who played safety?" doesn't apply to assessing the secondary?

This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read on the Warpath. And, being so dumb, it makes ridiculous the condescending attitude that you have extended to several people here.

Try being both smarter and nicer.

[Evilgrin]

I wanted Haslett gone also, because guys aren't listening to him anymore after 5 years. Our defensive line is a full rebuild, we aren't drafting well, developing well. We got a bunch of guys that are old or backups, and Kerrigan lucks into sacks after 5 or 6 seconds. I don't really care what we do beyond the line, because it just won't matter. They have to do a better job on both lines, before we pay attention to skill positions. We need a bunch of a big nasties.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Wait, the question of "who played safety?" doesn't apply to assessing the secondary?

This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read on the Warpath. And, being so dumb, it makes ridiculous the condescending attitude that you have extended to several people here.

Try being both smarter and nicer.

Please try remembering YOUR OWN QUESTION before talking about being dumb. Or about being smarter or nicer.

YOU DIDN'T ASK "who played safety?". YOU ASKED:

Originally Posted by Lotus

what capable, long-term starter help has Morris been given specifically at safety?

I answered that question, you just apparently block out that, like a lot of us would like to block out this season. So here's some footnotes to help you:

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Your question doesn't apply to why the redskins secondary has sucked the past few seasons. Vet players were added, like Merriweather and Clark. (1)

But just to humor you: The redskins drafted Philip Thomas with a 4th rd and Rambo with a 6th rd in 2013. Remember this quote from Rambo: (Bills vs Skins) "The coaches require you to watch film."
2012 they drafted Bernstine in the 7th. 2011 they drafted Gomes in the 5th.

So why dont we have capable long term starter help for safety, despite 4 picks the last 4 years? Shouldn't we have at least one starter from that? (2)

1) A team can address a position WITHOUT LONG TERM STARTER HELP, by signing vets. Nobody thought Clark was a long term help here. Some thought Meriweather wasn't a long term help here. But the idea was the vets could help us now. The topic of conversation here is the defense CURRENTLY sucks, with disagreement on how much is the coaches fault. Hog and I weren't talking about the future. We were talking about the here and now. I didn't say anything about long term before your question. You're asking that, while knowing we had brought in TWO VETS trying to fill that role, so your question doesn't even apply to why the secondary has sucked under Morris. The Skins were trying to "win now", and the debate is "why haven't we won". Not "what are our long-term prospects".


2) Even though we got two vet safeties during Morris' tenure to improve our secondary, we have not ignored the position in the draft. The picks have been across basically across the board, and if you get anywhere near 50% of picks right you are drafting unbelievably well, but 4 picks the last 4 years on 2 out of 22 positions (counting the reg. 11 O and D), shouldn't one of the picks ended up a reliable starter?

To sum this up: Vets haven't worked, and draftees haven't worked. Could still be our FO, but another common denominator is coaching. And as many people have commented, including here, ES, hail22.com, our safeties blow coverages. They aren't just getting to the right places and getting beat athletically, they aren't even going to the right place. Multiple seasons now that has been the case. That's on the coaches, to get the players to go to the right place, or put in other guys who can. If they can't, it's the coaches fault, regardless of how much (if) the players are at fault.

And again, next time please remember what your actual question is, especially when you quote it in the same dang post. (Would like to say dumbest, but there's another poster here that's made even worse posts. Let's just say it's someone who loves Eli, and cops even when they do wrong, and leave that there.)

HTTR