All things off season 2015.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

at the most basic level, a guy or girl with GM written on the front door of their office ...

1. someone who was hired as a GM or VP of Player Personnel for an NFL team in the past

2. someone who would be given the title of GM here

im basically parroting what everyone else is saying .... i would like to see a traditional NFL organizational structure.

the formula of having a coach be GM (gibbs, shanny) has not worked.

the formula of having VP/owner be GM (cerrato/snyder, allen/snyder) has not worked.

perhaps a GM being the GM will work.

So 1 and 2 are what Allen is/has been. So what if Allen was GM, and ONLY the GM?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So 1 and 2 are what Allen is/has been. So what if Allen was GM, and ONLY the GM?

i feel like i am getting the socratic method here.

you have a lot more knowledge and answers than me.

i always thought Allen did contracts and didnt do the drafting and player evaluating in Tampa. I assume from your comment that he did.

but what has Bruce Allen done to make him a qualified player evaluator?

1st round picks of micheal clayton, carnell williams and gaines adams do not look so great in hind sight. his later rounds dont look great either.

this past FA offseason when he was fully in control for us doesnt look so great. lauvau as a day one priority? porter 4.5 mil per? all the concerns that kept other teams away from hatcher came true .. why didnt we give them the same weight?

why should fans not be disappointed that we have not been told any specific plans to improve on the way our roster is assembled?


if allen really has been a player evaluator for all these years, yes then i would let him have another go at it this year.

But if he hasnt been doing that, then we need to bring in someone who does and can. he had this past year to play GM and he failed to address major issues with this roster that came back to bite us during games and are still issues today.

do you trust bruce allen's ability to evaluate talent? is there no one else better avialable?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i feel like i am getting the socratic method here.

you have a lot more knowledge and answers than me.

i always thought Allen did contracts and didnt do the drafting and player evaluating in Tampa. I assume from your comment that he did.

but what has Bruce Allen done to make him a qualified player evaluator?

1st round picks of micheal clayton, carnell williams and gaines adams do not look so great in hind sight. his later rounds dont look great either.

this past FA offseason when he was fully in control for us doesnt look so great. lauvau as a day one priority? porter 4.5 mil per? all the concerns that kept other teams away from hatcher came true .. why didnt we give them the same weight?

why should fans not be disappointed that we have not been told any specific plans to improve on the way our roster is assembled?


if allen really has been a player evaluator for all these years, yes then i would let him have another go at it this year.

But if he hasnt been doing that, then we need to bring in someone who does and can. he had this past year to play GM and he failed to address major issues with this roster that came back to bite us during games and are still issues today.

do you trust bruce allen's ability to evaluate talent? is there no one else better avialable?

I don't care what the title is but I want one person in charge of the business of the franchise-stadium operations, marketing, advertising/sponsorship deals, etc and another in charge of football operations. Allen is better suited to fill the role of the former. For the latter, I want someone who's had experience scouting, putting together a draft board, even playing/coaching at the highest level if possible.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't care what the title is but I want one person in charge of the business of the franchise-stadium operations, marketing, advertising/sponsorship deals, etc and another in charge of football operations. Allen is better suited to fill the role of the former. For the latter, I want someone who's had experience scouting, putting together a draft board, even playing/coaching at the highest level if possible.

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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't care what the title is but I want one person in charge of the business of the franchise-stadium operations, marketing, advertising/sponsorship deals, etc and another in charge of football operations. Allen is better suited to fill the role of the former. For the latter, I want someone who's had experience scouting, putting together a draft board, even playing/coaching at the highest level if possible.

Perfectly explained and I agree 100%

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Perfectly explained and I agree 100%

I understand wanting a "Real GM" The danger in just saying that is, we said we wanted that back in 2009. And Snyder said "here you go, Bruce Allen. He's a General Manager with a Super Bowl ring!" And many of us, myself included, got suckered by the label

[redskinsfan1980]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I understand wanting a "Real GM" The danger in just saying that is, we said we wanted that back in 2009. And Snyder said "here you go, Bruce Allen. He's a General Manager with a Super Bowl ring!" And many of us, myself included, got suckered by the label

You got suckered by Snyder, not me. I wasn't impressed with what Allen did with the Raiders or the Bucs. The Raider team that he put together was the Over the Hill Gang all over again. The Bucs team that won the Super Bowl was put together by Tony Dungy. Not once was I excited about Bruce coming to town. We need a GM with a real vision. That is something we don't have here at the moment.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

You got suckered by Snyder, not me. I wasn't impressed with what Allen did with the Raiders or the Bucs. The Raider team that he put together was the Over the Hill Gang all over again. The Bucs team that won the Super Bowl was put together by Tony Dungy. Not once was I excited about Bruce coming to town. We need a GM with a real vision. That is something we don't have here at the moment.

Good for you. I didn't expect Allen to be a great personnel guy, but I expected him to lead the organization better than he has