NFL divisional round thread.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

imo

luck = manning (pure passer)

wilson = brady (pure winner)

rg3 = vick (pure athlete)

If Brady had the defense and running game that Wilson has (including Wilson's ability to run), he'd have 5-6 Super Bowls won already. I'm amazed how overhyped Wilson is by the public and media. He's a damn good QB, but to compare him to f'ing Brady is ridiculous.

[donofriose]

NFL John Fox out as Broncos coach - ESPN

Fox out

Wrong thread

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by donofriose

NFL John Fox out as Broncos coach - ESPN

Fox out

Wrong thread

I would be shocked if Manning doesn't announce his retirement.

I've watched him over the past half of the season - and he has been absolutely dreadful. He has no arm strength left, he has been playing with a myriad of injuries, and last night, he just looked like an old man that had nothing left. There was all the jokes about Brett Favre, but IMO, Brett never sucked the way Peyton has for the last few weeks.

So i wonder ultimately if the Broncos are even kicking the tires on Peyton coming back one more year. Peyton is a competitor, and i have bet against him before and been wrong (returning from neck surgery) - so if Peyton wants to try and bring it one more year, I respect that. Maybe he is just hurt and banged up and an off season of rest and rehab will fix him. It's just shocking to have witnessed one of the greatest of all time suddenly reduced to below average.

As a younger football fan (30 years old), is this always the way it goes with once-great athletes? Do they just show up one day and it's gone, as seemed to be the case with Manning last night??

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I would be shocked if Manning doesn't announce his retirement.

I've watched him over the past half of the season - and he has been absolutely dreadful. ??

He was playing with a torn quad ,had his receivers helped him by getting some separation from the Colts DB's it might have been a better game ,Peyton doesn't play defense .

[calia]

On an unrelated subject, this article had me laughing out loud (and wishing that we'd drafted Kam): Kam Chancellor is a bad man - SBNation.com

My favorite part: "His feet don't touch the any players because halfway through that jump, he ascended into a higher plane of existence. He's now the divine Kam Chancellor. He ran into that jump the same way a DeLorean by a mad scientist goes back into the past. That's not the same Kam Chancellor who jumped and disrupted the kicker. He went back in time, found that kicker's great grandfather in a soccer field somewhere and destroyed him before coming back to put fear into his great grandson. They don't mention Kam's name in that kicker's household the same way Hogwarts schoolchildren don't say Voldemort."

[MTK]

Can't throw without your legs. Manning was playing on two bad quads, one was so bad the bruise went through the back of his leg. I think the "washed up and he should retire" talk is a little premature.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Can't throw without your legs. Manning was playing on two bad quads, one was so bad the bruise went through the back of his leg. I think the "washed up and he should retire" talk is a little premature.

While I don't doubt that those quad injuries Manning had were bad enough to severely affect his play, if I was Manning I would have to look at reasons as to why I'd wanna come back.

A. He's paid his dues, he's as close to being a no-doubter HOFer as you can be. B. He's already got a ring.
C. He's probably the career leader in total money earned as an NFL player.
D. With Fox gone, is there any team in the NFL (Broncos included) where he could win a SB next year to go out on top?

He's probably got 1-2 years left, max. We don't even know what changes the Broncos will make with a new coach on board. He's got nothing left to prove, and his wallet is more than fine. I can definitely see him coming back for 1-2 years, but at the same time I can definitely see him hanging it up for good. He looked fine before the injuries, so he can probably still play at a high level, but does he want to subject his body to another year of punishment? He's not going to be any less brittle next year. Either way he's got a tough decision ahead of him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mooby

While I don't doubt that those quad injuries Manning had were bad enough to severely affect his play, if I was Manning I would have to look at reasons as to why I'd wanna come back.

A. He's paid his dues, he's as close to being a no-doubter HOFer as you can be. B. He's already got a ring.
C. He's probably the career leader in total money earned as an NFL player.
D. With Fox gone, is there any team in the NFL (Broncos included) where he could win a SB next year to go out on top?

He's probably got 1-2 years left, max. We don't even know what changes the Broncos will make with a new coach on board. He's got nothing left to prove, and his wallet is more than fine. I can definitely see him coming back for 1-2 years, but at the same time I can definitely see him hanging it up for good. He looked fine before the injuries, so he can probably still play at a high level, but does he want to subject his body to another year of punishment? He's not going to be any less brittle next year. Either way he's got a tough decision ahead of him.

2 ways he doesn't come back, he thinks he just can't physically do it, or he doesn't agree with all the changes going down there with the coaching staff. Reports are now saying the entire staff has been let go. Shit is hitting the fan.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

2 ways he doesn't come back, he thinks he just can't physically do it, or he doesn't agree with all the changes going down there with the coaching staff. Reports are now saying the entire staff has been let go. Shit is hitting the fan.

They have too much talent to be going out in their first playoff game. Truthfully, that 2012 game against Baltimore should have sealed Fox's fate. It was evident the man is over his head going against superior coaching. He doesn't know how to coach in the post-season. His teams aren't prepared, the game planning sucks. I mean, look at the defensive effort last night. They kept playing that soft zone allowing Luck to eat their ass up. Generated next to no pressure.

[MTK]

A little perspective:

Favre's last season
2509 yards, 11 TDs, 19 INTs, 5-8 record, 69.9 QB rating

Manning this year
4727 yards, 39 TDs, 15 INTs, 12-4 record, 101.5 QB rating

[BaltimoreSkins]

I do not think him being on another team would diminish his ability to read defenses and make the passes he does. Do you really think we are a 4-12 team if Wilson is here? I don't.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I do not think him being on another team would diminish his ability to read defenses and make the passes he does. Do you really think we are a 4-12 team if Wilson is here? I don't.

No because he is certainly an improvement at an important position. I think we would be 6-7 win team.
But again if he is a second tier qb on thee best team in the league than when you put him on another team he becomes what? Middle of the pack?
Being on Seattle allows him to showcase his talents. I like the kid. I really do. Just dont consider him great. Not by any means.

[30gut]

You would think a SB champ and QB of a top 10 offense 3 years in row would get more respect.

[over the mountain]

imo he is kinda reaching for the end zone while he is still in the process of falling down. both sides have room to interpret.

at the end of the day, Dez just has to hold onto the ball.

like defenders have had to re-train their hit zone to avoid flags .. receivers need to re-train to make sure they secure the catch before trying anything else.

[mredskins]

In the words of Frozen: Let it go.