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[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's kinda laughable to me to think Allen is the source of our woes but whatevs.

Wait, are you saying that our team president has nothing to do with our on-field performance? If so, we should fire him because he is offering nothing positive.

We pay him to have a strong, positive effect on team performance. Our record is 28-52 while he has collected that paycheck.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Wait, are you saying that our team president has nothing to do with our on-field performance? If so, we should fire him because he is offering nothing positive.

We pay him to have a strong, positive effect on team performance. Our record is 28-52 while he has collected that paycheck.

Right, because as we know he's always called all the shots in his time here. Shanny had no input.

If you want a scapegoat look a little higher on the food chain. Snyder is the one common denominator for all of our fantastic success.

Despite you wanting to paint him as some power hungry egomaniac, he went and gave the fans what they wanted, a real GM. What an asshole.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Right, because as we know he's always called all the shots in his time here. Shanny had no input.

If you want a scapegoat look a little higher on the food chain. Snyder is the one common denominator for all of our fantastic success.

Despite you wanting to paint him as some power hungry egomaniac, he went and gave the fans what they wanted, a real GM. What an asshole.

Matty, I've said it before, I'll say it again, that is not how I view Allen.

Of course ownership is a problem. That's why we need a team president who will do a better job of mollifying ownership while protecting the football people. Instead, Allen is Snyder's face, his interpersonal lackey, the guy who allows ownership to meddle without having the outward appearance of meddling. Allen completely fails to provide the buffer space the true professionals need to be successful.

I think that we should hold the architect of the RGIII trade accountable. Go figure.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Matty, I've said it before, I'll say it again, that is not how I view Allen.

Of course ownership is a problem. That's why we need a team president who will do a better job of mollifying ownership while protecting the football people. Instead, Allen is Snyder's face, his interpersonal lackey, the guy who allows ownership to meddle without having the outward appearance of meddling. Allen completely fails to provide the buffer space the true professionals need to be successful.

I think that we should hold the architect of the RGIII trade accountable. Go figure.

So what does getting rid of Allen accomplish as long as Snyder is still here?? You really think hiring someone to stonewall Snyder is going to work??

Didn't you say it was a pipe dream to think Allen was going to give up control over personnel? Sounded like you were insinuating his reluctance to give up control. Seemed to happen quite easily if you ask me.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So what does getting rid of Allen accomplish as long as Snyder is still here?? You really think hiring someone to stonewall Snyder is going to work??

Didn't you say it was a pipe dream to think Allen was going to give up control over personnel? Seemed to happen quite easily if you ask me.

No, you don't hire someone to stonewall Snyder, that's impossible and would be bad business. Instead you hire someone who does what capable people in similar positions around the league do every day: diplomatically find ways to keep ownership smiling while providing as much fence as possible (it will never be perfect) protecting the football pros.

This happens every day for some other teams, since they have capable leadership.

Instead we get a mouthpiece and snitch for ownership, a guy who actively is 180 degrees opposite of the buffer he should be.

As for your last sentence, "seemed to" must be the operative words. They said Shanahan had total control over personnel, too, and that proved to be illusory.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lotus

No, you don't hire someone to stonewall Snyder, that's impossible and would be bad business. Instead you hire someone who does what capable people in similar positions around the league do every day: diplomatically find ways to keep ownership smiling while providing as much fence as possible (it will never be perfect) protecting the football pros.

This happens every day for some other teams, since they have capable leadership.

Instead we get a mouthpiece and snitch for ownership, a guy who actively is 180 degrees opposite of the buffer he should be.

As for your last sentence, "seemed to" must be the operative words. They said Shanahan had total control over personnel, too, and that proved to be illusory.

Shanny didn't have control? News to me. How much say do you really think Bruce had? Shanahan is the ultimate control freak, his contract was also iron clad as far as his role here. If he allowed his mind to be changed on any decisions that's on him.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Right, because as we know he's always called all the shots in his time here. Shanny had no input.

If you want a scapegoat look a little higher on the food chain. Snyder is the one common denominator for all of our fantastic success.

Despite you wanting to paint him as some power hungry egomaniac, he went and gave the fans what they wanted, a real GM. What an asshole.

Well, wasn't Snyder a power-hungry asshole, despite the fanbase being told otherwise, from 1999 till 2004? And even then...

Joe Gibbs was a master at this. You could see it during his four seasons, how he massaged Snyder and Vinny Cerrato’s egos during news conferences, etc. Made them feel like they were giving invaluable input all the time. Gibbs also knew when to let Snyder “win;” in other words, he knew when to pick his battles. Gibbs also knew Snyder idolized him. Who didn't?
As one person from that staff once said, “That way, when it came time to pick his fights with Dan, he’d get what he wanted. He managed Dan well.”

2008-2009, Snyder gave control to his good friend below, right?

Thanks Snyder!

I dunno what to believe about Snyder vs. Shanahan. But Shanahan didn't have that kind of trouble in Denver, right? Was the situation in Oakland Shanny's fault or Al Davis (who had trouble with other coaches)? OTOH, we have had continuous drama with the Snyder Skins except Gibbs 2.0.

It seems like a mixed bag to me, but isn't it logical to assume Snyder is still a power hungry asshole until proven otherwise?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Well, wasn't Snyder a power-hungry asshole, despite the fanbase being told otherwise, from 1999 till 2004? And even then...

Joe Gibbs was a master at this. You could see it during his four seasons, how he massaged Snyder and Vinny Cerrato’s egos during news conferences, etc. Made them feel like they were giving invaluable input all the time. Gibbs also knew when to let Snyder “win;” in other words, he knew when to pick his battles. Gibbs also knew Snyder idolized him. Who didn't?
As one person from that staff once said, “That way, when it came time to pick his fights with Dan, he’d get what he wanted. He managed Dan well.”

2008-2009, Snyder gave control to his good friend below, right?

Thanks Snyder!

I dunno what to believe about Snyder vs. Shanahan. But Shanahan didn't have that kind of trouble in Denver, right? Was the situation in Oakland Shanny's fault or Al Davis (who had trouble with other coaches)? OTOH, we have had continuous drama with the Snyder Skins except Gibbs 2.0.

It seems like a mixed bag to me, but isn't it logical to assume Snyder is still a power hungry asshole until proven otherwise?

That bit about Gibbs is important.

People are creating a false either/or between giving Snyder total power or no power.

As Gibbs shows us, the important thing is actually to find a workable middle ground.

Gibbs found the middle ground. Other good teams find the middle ground.

As we have seen with bad trades, controversies about starting QB's, and many other things, Bruce Allen does not find the middle ground.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Lotus

That bit about Gibbs is important.

People are creating a false either/or between giving Snyder total power or no power.

As Gibbs shows us, the important thing is actually to find a workable middle ground.

Gibbs found the middle ground. Other good teams find the middle ground.

As we have seen with bad trades, controversies about starting QB's, and many other things, Bruce Allen does not find the middle ground.

That's on Snyder, imo. Doesn't matter what the HC/GM does, if the boss, the owner, isn't willing to work at it. It shouldn't take being a living legend to get Snyder to budge a little.

Snyder's been the meddler, from Turner (QB), to Schottenheimer (had to take control back), Spurrier (may have just been a trainwreck), to even Gibbs (above), Zorn ("All I told him was to take his hands out of his pockets"), to Shanny (claims Snyder meddled).

I thought one of the positive things of Allen, was that he was described as a good buffer between Snyder and the team. Is that not true now?

[SFREDSKIN]

Why don't people give Barry a chance instead of panicking? Belicheck and many others bombed on the first gig as coach or coordinator.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Why don't people give Barry a chance instead of panicking? Belicheck and many others bombed on the first gig as coach or coordinator.

Not panicking -- just not particularly optimistic. As always, I will hope that the naysayers are once again wrong.