Conference Championship thread

[Ruhskins]

11 of 12 Pats' footballs under-inflated - ESPN

Ladies and Gentlemen your 2014 New England Patriots:

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

11 of 12 Pats' footballs under-inflated - ESPN

Ladies and Gentlemen your 2014 New England Patriots:

Same balls used for both teams .

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Same balls used for both teams .

Once again showing you don't know much. There are 3 sets of balls 12 for NE when they are on Offence, 12 when Indy is on Offence and the "K balls"; the ones they use for punting and kicking.

The only time that Indy player would touch a New England ball would be a turnover. In fact it was a Indy player who pointed it out to refs on a interception. The first time a Indy player touched one, he knew it was wrong. You telling me Brady didn't know, on about 50 snaps?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Once again showing you don't know much. There are 3 sets of balls 12 for NE when they are on Offence, 12 when Indy is on Offence and the "K balls"; the ones they use for punting and kicking.

The only time that Indy player would touch a New England ball would be a turnover. In fact it was a Indy player who pointed it out to refs on a interception. The first time a Indy player touched one, he knew it was wrong. You telling me Brady didn't know, on about 50 snaps?

I admit, I thought that the refs actually had control of all the footballs all the time. I remember the issue that came up when the "K" ones were added. It seems crazy that somehow this could even be an issue at this point in the NFL.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I admit, I thought that the refs actually had control of all the footballs all the time. I remember the issue that came up when the "K" ones were added. It seems crazy that somehow this could even be an issue at this point in the NFL.

I thought so, too. We can be sure that a rule change will make it that way now.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Once again showing you don't know much. There are 3 sets of balls 12 for NE when they are on Offence, 12 when Indy is on Offence and the "K balls"; the ones they use for punting and kicking.

The only time that Indy player would touch a New England ball would be a turnover. In fact it was a Indy player who pointed it out to refs on a interception. The first time a Indy player touched one, he knew it was wrong. You telling me Brady didn't know, on about 50 snaps?

No , once again people are showing that they just can't accept how good that Belichick is or how good that whole organisation is ,at 45 - 7 it is jealousy that simple

I will admit I forgot there was a separate group of balls for the kickers but still the hate and jealousy for this team is amazing .

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Giantone

No , once again people are showing that they just can't accept how good that Belichick is or how good that whole organisation is ,at 45 - 7 it is jealousy that simple

I will admit I forgot there was a separate group of balls for the kickers but still the hate and jealousy for this team is amazing .

Its not hate and jealousy, its simply that some people dont want them to cheat. I know its a novel concept to you, but a lot of people are like that. Stop using the excuse that its ok for the better teams to cheat because they are the better teams. Im getting sick of hearing that since they would have won anyway, that any cheating is justified. Cheating is never justified regardless of whether they are good or bad. I hate Seattle, have never accused them of cheating. They are going to back to back SB's due to how good they are (and GB just giving a game away but it is what it is), but I both hate them and are jealous of their success since Carroll arrived. So if what you are saying is true, then where are the Seattle cheated accusations?

I mean seriously, how hard is it to inflate a football? You have to be one of the stupidest people on the planet to screw that up 11 out of 12 times...

PS... its not just separate balls for the kickers, its separate balls for each team as well. If both offenses used the same ball, this would be no where near the issue that it is.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Its not hate and jealousy,.

Yes it is and I understand you have to spin it to make yourself sleep better at night .If the Skins were to hire Belichick and he came here and had the same or better success this board would be defending him ,Fact .


http://static.nfl.com/static/content..._2013_Ball.pdf

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Yes it is and I understand you have to spin it to make yourself sleep better at night .If the Skins were to hire Belichick and he came here and had the same or better success this board would be defending him ,Fact .


http://static.nfl.com/static/content..._2013_Ball.pdf

This is the exact same thing you said when this board complained about a player getting caught drunk driving, then using Brandon Meriweather as the reasoning that we would defend it since he also did the same thing. Yet most on this board was calling for him to be released when he was caught doing the same thing.

No I dont want my team to film other teams, to deflate balls, etc. You need to break away from your theory that since you support cheating, that everyone else must also since you hold yourself above the average person.

I have also never said Belicheck is a bad coach. I have never said the pats arent good. But they have a history of cheating. A history of cheating means one thing, that they cheat. I dont need to appease some idiot New Yorker or a cheating New Englander to feel better about myself therefore allowing me to sleep. I sleep just fine at night. I slept just fine before and after the Pats got caught filming other teams practices. I slept just fine last night after hearing this nonsense.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Once again showing you don't know much. There are 3 sets of balls 12 for NE when they are on Offence, 12 when Indy is on Offence and the "K balls"; the ones they use for punting and kicking.

The only time that Indy player would touch a New England ball would be a turnover. In fact it was a Indy player who pointed it out to refs on a interception. The first time a Indy player touched one, he knew it was wrong. You telling me Brady didn't know, on about 50 snaps?

According the NFL rule book (link below), the refs are solely responsible to make sure all footballs comply. Also they mention each team provides 12 footballs, but the 12 footballs from visiting team will be backup footballs. Where did you get your information that the refs segregate the footballs by team? 12 for one team and 12 for another during play? I have NEVER heard of that. I have heard they have special designated footballs for kickers, but no mention that each can only use use the footballs they provided? What is your source? I am not saying you are wrong or calling you a liar, as you seem pretty emotional about this, but I am curious where you got your information? You might be right.?.? I don't claim to know.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content..._2013_Ball.pdf

" The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.
Section 2
BALL SUPPLY
Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games
held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

According the NFL rule book (link below), the refs are solely responsible to make sure all footballs comply. Also they mention each team provides 12 footballs, but the 12 footballs from visiting team will be backup footballs. Where did you get your information that the refs segregate the footballs by team? 12 for one team and 12 for another during play? I have NEVER heard of that. I have heard they have special designated footballs for kickers, but no mention that each can only use use the footballs they provided? What is your source? I am not saying you are wrong or calling you a liar, as you seem pretty emotional about this, but I am curious where you got your information? You might be right.?.? I don't claim to know.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content..._2013_Ball.pdf

" The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.
Section 2
BALL SUPPLY
Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games
held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.

Thank you for the link .

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

According the NFL rule book (link below), the refs are solely responsible to make sure all footballs comply. Also they mention each team provides 12 footballs, but the 12 footballs from visiting team will be backup footballs. Where did you get your information that the refs segregate the footballs by team? 12 for one team and 12 for another during play? I have NEVER heard of that. I have heard they have special designated footballs for kickers, but no mention that each can only use use the footballs they provided? What is your source? I am not saying you are wrong or calling you a liar, as you seem pretty emotional about this, but I am curious where you got your information? You might be right.?.? I don't claim to know.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content..._2013_Ball.pdf

" The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.
Section 2
BALL SUPPLY
Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games
held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.

What that says is that each team supplies their own balls and the ref checks them. Two hour prior to the game the ref checks them, but the balls supplied by each team is their own. Each is rubbed down and broken in how they want it to be, within the rules. Except for the K balls which are brand new.

Here is a Boston Globe story agreeing with what I said. NFL says Patriots used 11 under-inflated footballs - Sports - The Boston Globe

[Darrell_Green_28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Same balls used for both teams .

They are not the same balls for both teams, each team supplies 12.

[TheHolyGibbs]

Originally Posted by Darrell_Green_28

They are not the same balls for both teams, each team supplies 12.

I will be in the minority here but....if this is true they should forfeit. It isn't the reason they won but, you cheat, you lose. Either that or the NFL needs to ban hoodies to really make Billy pay.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Same balls used for both teams .

I think enough posters have pointed out your ignorance on the subject so I'll continue on with the rest of what I have to say. You can't give NE the benefit of the doubt since 11 of the 12 balls were deflated. That and they've had a history of cheating. Dock a draft pick and have the league start furnishing the balls and control them during games instead of allowing teams to handle them. That said, those balls didn't change the outcome of that ass whupping.