Next years QB

[JoeRedskin]

In fairness, in the last two seasons, Griffin has also (1) missed an entire offseason due to his ACL injury; and (2) missed significant time due to an injury that would been a season ender for most folks. In addition, the nature of the injuries required an alteration to the way he fundamentally played the position (i.e. couldn't rely on his explosiveness and escapability any more).

Trust me, I fully get the guys faults when it comes to reading defenses, working progressions, holding the ball to long, receptiveness to coaching, etc. At the same time, neither he nor Kirk have separated themselves from the other in terms of their play - each is flawed. From his athletic ability, arm-strength and potential for improvement as he (hopefully) learns to be more of a drop back style QB, I would suggest Griffin still has the higher upside than Kirk who is playing the same offense (essentially) that he played in college and is making the same mental mistakes he made then.

At this point, neither is someone you look at and say "Oh yeah. He's The Guy." I believe Griffin gets the nod, not b/c of his draft cost/status, but b/c he simply is (still) the more physically gifted player at the position.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

In fairness, in the last two seasons, Griffin has also (1) missed an entire offseason due to his ACL injury; and (2) missed significant time due to an injury that would been a season ender for most folks. In addition, the nature of the injuries required an alteration to the way he fundamentally played the position (i.e. couldn't rely on his explosiveness and escapability any more).

Trust me, I fully get the guys faults when it comes to reading defenses, working progressions, holding the ball to long, receptiveness to coaching, etc. At the same time, neither he nor Kirk have separated themselves from the other in terms of their play - each is flawed. From his athletic ability, arm-strength and potential for improvement as he (hopefully) learns to be more of a drop back style QB, I would suggest Griffin still has the higher upside than Kirk who is playing the same offense (essentially) that he played in college and is making the same mental mistakes he made then.

At this point, neither is someone you look at and say "Oh yeah. He's The Guy." I believe Griffin gets the nod, not b/c of his draft cost/status, but b/c he simply is (still) the more physically gifted player at the position.

While Griffin is a work horse when it comes to working out and getting fit physically. I can not say the same thing when it comes to the mental part of playing QB in the NFL. Proof is in the fact he is in his 4th year (?) and he is mentally...not ready. With all that time he missed due to injuries, that you talk about, he did not come back any more prepared mentally.
I was disappointed to hear Gruden had to dummy down the playbook/game plan for Griffin. I hope he comes back better than ever. I would be ok giving him another chance in 2015 but his attitude has to change. His inflated ego could not fit through the locker room door.
The biggest thing for me is there has to be a real competition at EVERY position. No free rides please. That shit I hope is gone now that we have a new GM. I do not want to see Gruden being told who he should start at QB.
Our Head coach and GM should decide who starts, not someone else.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

While Griffin is a work horse when it comes to working out and getting fit physically. I can not say the same thing when it comes to the mental part of playing QB in the NFL. Proof is in the fact he is in his 4th year (?) and he is mentally...not ready. With all that time he missed due to injuries, that you talk about, he did not come back any more prepared mentally.
I was disappointed to hear Gruden had to dummy down the playbook/game plan for Griffin. I hope he comes back better than ever. I would be ok giving him another chance in 2015 but his attitude has to change. His inflated ego could not fit through the locker room door.
The biggest thing for me is there has to be a real competition at EVERY position. No free rides please. That shit I hope is gone now that we have a new GM. I do not want to see Gruden being told who he should start at QB.
Our Head coach and GM should decide who starts, not someone else.

Last year made it clear that yet again that Snyder clearly is still meddling with football decisions. He should have zero input into any personel decisions on the football field. none, Snyder deserves zero respect when it comes to football acument.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

While Griffin is a work horse when it comes to working out and getting fit physically. I can not say the same thing when it comes to the mental part of playing QB in the NFL. Proof is in the fact he is in his 4th year (?) and he is mentally...not ready. With all that time he missed due to injuries, that you talk about, he did not come back any more prepared mentally.
I was disappointed to hear Gruden had to dummy down the playbook/game plan for Griffin. I hope he comes back better than ever. I would be ok giving him another chance in 2015 but his attitude has to change. His inflated ego could not fit through the locker room door.
The biggest thing for me is there has to be a real competition at EVERY position. No free rides please. That shit I hope is gone now that we have a new GM. I do not want to see Gruden being told who he should start at QB.
Our Head coach and GM should decide who starts, not someone else.

I agree with your whole post but you are dead wrong if you believe that the GM Hiring changes everything. It starts at the top. As long as DS is owner, he is going to tell his guys who they are playing. And if they don't like that, or they feel like maybe they should have a voice, then they took a job working for the wrong organization.

Griffin starts this year and for as long as DS is willing to pay him. And that's fact.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I agree with your whole post but you are dead wrong if you believe that the GM Hiring changes everything. It starts at the top. As long as DS is owner, he is going to tell his guys who they are playing. And if they don't like that, or they feel like maybe they should have a voice, then they took a job working for the wrong organization.

Griffin starts this year and for as long as DS is willing to pay him. And that's fact.

What proof do you have to make that a fact?

[CRedskinsRule]

Naming him starter was simply to stop the media from it's incessant hounding (imo). And Redskins fans in general are never going to be content with any qb. That's been proven time and again.

The team seems to be making appropriate football moves regarding players, so if they start Griffin, I believe it's because he's the best option. If they don't then he wasn't. I very seriously doubt the draft picks factor in to Gruden/SM's thinking at all since they didn't trade for him, and the picks won't be recaptured regardless of whether he starts, sits, or is traded.

[NYCskinfan82]

^^ nicely stated.

[JoeRedskin]

^^ I think it's been made very clear that Griffin is the starter in name only at this point (as CRed' stated in his post) and that, for all intents and purposes, it is an open competition.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I do not think it is accurate to just look at the stats that you put up and think is a realistic and legitimate comparison.

Well the stats I posted are specifically in response to this article: How to make Robert Griffin III a pocket passer - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

Where Kiem brought up the topic of 'time in the pocket' and the stats I posted are a realistic comparison in that specific area of production based on time in the pocket.

Another huge factor the stats do not show is Gruden did not run the same plays for all three QB's.

I agree that there are a multitude of factors that come into play (for any stats) including the time in the pocket stats. And yeah I agree that the playcalling for the different QBs impacted their performance (and that's a whole 'nother ball of wax).

However this......

I remember even Griffen complaining very loudly on the sideline to Coach Gruden after he was replaced for Cousin, saying 'why didn't you call those plays for me when I was in?'

When did this happen? Could you post a source or link or report or something?
I'm not saying it didn't but I follow the skins closely and we all know that Griffin is under a huge national microscope where everything that is said or tweeted is on NFL Network how, if true, would something like this go unnoticed or unreported?

Clearly RGIII was being protected from himself and his inability to absorb and play the entire playbook. Gruden called a more simplified version of the playbook for Griffen because he could not handle it. Cousins was asked to do a lot more....

I can occasion pass a few of my opinions or thoughts off as accepted fact but aren't you taking a quite a few large leaps here?

Jay Gruden himself commented that Griffin knows the playbook but that he [Jay] was still searching for a gameplan that fit him [Griffin]. I don't think its fair or accurate to say or even guess at 'thee' reason why Jay called plays a certain way and its easily arguably as to whether his playacting/gameplan was right/wrong.
You can assign blame where you want.

Cousins and Colt are obviously more comfortable in playing in Jay's style of West Coast passing game (rhythm drop back progression timing based offense). Colt played in a pure WCO with the Browns and Kirk played in a 'pro-style' rhythm timing offense at Michigan State. So it should be no surprise that they were more comfortable more quickly in Jay's offense. However; what's missing is the accompany delta in production from Kirk. Based on comfort in the offense both should have a more evident separation in production but its only really evident with Colt in the over 2.5s time in pocket category.

[diehardskin2982]

KC can win you the game in the 4th quarter. He can be bated into throwing picks. RG is shell shocked after the 2 injuries to he lower body. In his first season I saw him look off defenders, go through progressions and find the open man. After he was hurt, he changed. became unaware in the pocket and stopped looking downfield.

My hope is that we trade for Phillip Rivers or Mike Glennon.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I was just about to post this as well calia. It is a good read and I am truly pulling for this kid!

[NYCskinfan82]

How many places are you going to type this we get it you don't like him.

[calia]

^ Yeah -- if RGIII was really going to tear a page out of Brady's notebook, he'd let his wife criticize his teammates.

C'mon -- I don't think it makes sense to fault RGIII for saying that he'd like to see the team emulate aspects of the Patriots' approach. Whom among us wouldn't like to see that?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

How many places are you going to type this we get it you don't like him.

Sorry. Didn't realize I was having a herp derp moment posting to the same article in different threads.



THAT said, I don't hate Griffin. I want Griffin to do well with us. However, the passive-aggressive shots are annoying. Is Florio making a big deal out of it or digging? Maybe? Griffin is just poor at expressing things and he puts himself in a bad situation. This isn't the first time he's done this so he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt here.

"Tom is great and he differed his wisdom until after he's retired. The Patriots are a great organization and handled themselves professionally during our scrimmage."


He needs to be taking a note out of Bill Belichick's page.

[MTK]

Florio digging as usual. I don't see anything wrong with what he said at all.