All things off season 2015.

[calia]

So I hear we re-signed Ihenacho. Isn't he the guy that tore his ACL about 30 seconds after we signed him from the Broncos? Geez, we have a tendency to go after fragile safties (Thomas, Merriweather, Ihenacho). Fragility is not something one would or should associate with that position.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by calia

So I hear we re-signed Ihenacho. Isn't he the guy that tore his ACL about 30 seconds after we signed him from the Broncos? Geez, we have a tendency to go after fragile safties (Thomas, Merriweather, Ihenacho). Fragility is not something one would or should associate with that position.

Well, if we're re-signing these guys to heavily incentive-based contracts, then I'm more than OK with that. We need to be building through the draft anyway, and chances are, if there is a highly valuable safety out there in FA, then he wants a healthy contract.

[calia]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Well, if we're re-signing these guys to heavily incentive-based contracts, then I'm more than OK with that. We need to be building through the draft anyway, and chances are, if there is a highly valuable safety out there in FA, then he wants a healthy contract.

I don't disagree with this at all, but we've had a lot of guys in the secondary with significant injury and who have missed significant time (Ihenacho, Thomas, Hall, Merriweather, Porter, T. Robinson). I realize a few of these folks won't be back, but looking at FAs that also have significant injury histories -- including the news about Tyvon Branch coming in for a visit; he's played in only 5 games the last 2 years -- doesn't seem terribly wise, as even these low risk contracts begin to add up.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by calia

I don't disagree with this at all, but we've had a lot of guys in the secondary with significant injury and who have missed significant time (Ihenacho, Thomas, Hall, Merriweather, Porter, T. Robinson). I realize a few of these folks won't be back, but looking at FAs that also have significant injury histories -- including the news about Tyvon Branch coming in for a visit; he's played in only 5 games the last 2 years -- doesn't seem terribly wise, as even these low risk contracts begin to add up.

I think what you are seeing is Scot McCloughan allowing his present scouting staff to either sink or swim. He's evaluating what they are turning into him. So, these guys that the 'skins are re-signing or bringing in for a visit might just merely be Scot's way deciding who stays or who goes on his staff.

Just remember, things aren't going to be perfect this offseason. McCloughan will make some good moves (probably more in terms of the draft and rookie signings), but there will be a lot of evaluating of his own staff. He did say he would go through free agency and the draft with the present scouting staff. So, I would probably just about say that any offseason moves that turn out to be head scratchers will probably just be a result of trusting the opinion of those remaining staff members - who probably won't be here next year.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I think what you are seeing is Scot McCloughan allowing his present scouting staff to either sink or swim. He's evaluating what they are turning into him. So, these guys that the 'skins are re-signing or bringing in for a visit might just merely be Scot's way deciding who stays or who goes on his staff.

Just remember, things aren't going to be perfect this offseason. McCloughan will make some good moves (probably more in terms of the draft and rookie signings), but there will be a lot of evaluating of his own staff. He did say he would go through free agency and the draft with the present scouting staff. So, I would probably just about say that any offseason moves that turn out to be head scratchers will probably just be a result of trusting the opinion of those remaining staff members - who probably won't be here next year.

What you are saying makes no sense.

First of all, there is no need for Scot to allow his staff to screw up any FA signings or draft picks in order to evaluate them.

Secondly, no executive in his right mind is going to sit back and let his subordinates fail at such an important task. He's going to check and re-check every player they recommend. That's because an executive is responsible for what his subordinates do; therefore, their failure is also his failure and his failure is the entire organization's failure, which is unacceptable.

[Alvin Walton]

Hmmm...I dont have a very high opinion of our FAs.

Brian Orakpo, OLB - let him go
Barry Cofield, DT- let him go
Tyler Polumbus, OT- let him go
Roy Helu, RB - Keep
Jarvis Jenkins, DE - let him go
Brandon Meriweather, S - let him go
Leonard Hankerson, WR - let him go
Niles Paul, TE - Keep
Santana Moss, WR - let him go
Colt McCoy, QB - let him go
Stephen Bowen, DE - let him go
E.J. Biggers, CB - let him go
Tanard Jackson, S - let him go help him pack pay for his taxi....

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Hmmm...I dont have a very high opinion of our FAs.

Brian Orakpo, OLB - let him go
Barry Cofield, DT- let him go
Tyler Polumbus, OT- let him go
Roy Helu, RB - Keep
Jarvis Jenkins, DE - let him go
Brandon Meriweather, S - let him go
Leonard Hankerson, WR - let him go
Niles Paul, TE - Keep
Santana Moss, WR - let him go
Colt McCoy, QB - let him go
Stephen Bowen, DE - let him go
E.J. Biggers, CB - let him go
Tanard Jackson, S - let him go help him pack pay for his taxi....

I might try to sign Orakpo but only to a very team-friendly deal. I agree with you on the rest.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Hmmm...I dont have a very high opinion of our FAs.

Brian Orakpo, OLB - let him go
Barry Cofield, DT- let him go
Tyler Polumbus, OT- let him go
Roy Helu, RB - Keep
Jarvis Jenkins, DE - let him go
Brandon Meriweather, S - let him go
Leonard Hankerson, WR - let him go
Niles Paul, TE - Keep
Santana Moss, WR - let him go
Colt McCoy, QB - let him go
Stephen Bowen, DE - let him go
E.J. Biggers, CB - let him go
Tanard Jackson, S - let him go help him pack pay for his taxi....

Why keep Niles Paul ? they need another true TE, not a WR masquerading as a TE

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Well, if we're re-signing these guys to heavily incentive-based contracts, then I'm more than OK with that. We need to be building through the draft anyway, and chances are, if there is a highly valuable safety out there in FA, then he wants a healthy contract.

An injured player is of no use to his team regardless of the value of his contract, so I would be hesitant to sign players with worrisome injury histories.

Perhaps we could find a rookie who could start at SS but there is little chance that we're going to get a starting FS out of the draft this year. I have no problem with giving the right FA a lucrative contract to anchor our secondary as our starting FS because we currently have NOBODY at FS and filling that position can't wait.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by calia

So I hear we re-signed Ihenacho. Isn't he the guy that tore his ACL about 30 seconds after we signed him from the Broncos? Geez, we have a tendency to go after fragile safties (Thomas, Merriweather, Ihenacho). Fragility is not something one would or should associate with that position.

Fractured heal, not an ACL.

At his price he'll have to earn a spot. No big risk for the team.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Fractured heal, not an ACL.

At his price he'll have to earn a spot. No big risk for the team.

A fractured heal sounds extremely painful!!!

[calia]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Fractured heal, not an ACL.



At his price he'll have to earn a spot. No big risk for the team.

Fractured "heal". Interesting slip. Let's hope the heel healed.


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