Redskins 2015 Signings (and Re-Signings) Thread

[Irrefutable]

Johnson may become a good player, however there is no evidence that he deserves a contract much more the the 5th year minimum

Jeron Johnson, SS for the Seattle Seahawks at NFL.com

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

Johnson may become a good player, however there is no evidence that he deserves a contract much more the the 5th year minimum

Jeron Johnson, SS for the Seattle Seahawks at NFL.com

He's young, has plenty of potential upside, and has been part of a well-coached, well-disciplined defense.

No, he shouldn't get a "break the bank contract" but, there is shortage of true blue chip safeties on the market, and the current going rate for "just-a-guy" safeteys is well above vet minimums.

Bottom line, if you think Johnson is going to be signed for a vet min contract, (with all due respect) you're delusional.

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[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

He's young, has plenty of potential upside, and has been part of a well-coached, well-disciplined defense.

No, he shouldn't get a "break the bank contract" but, there is shortage of true blue chip safeties on the market, and the current going rate for "just-a-guy" safeteys is well above vet minimums.

Bottom line, if you think Johnson is going to be signed for a vet min contract, (with all due respect) you're delusional.

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'' much more " than the NFL minimum = about $1 million in the first year, with a small signing bonus... does he have any contract offers ?

if you think he has proven he deserves a middle level contract you are delusional. The guy has one play on his highlight video- the guy is a sleeper, who appears to be getting minimal interested- there is no reason to pay him $3 or $4 million a year.

Rahim Moore got $ 4 million a year- Patrick Chung got $2.7 million

WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Free Agents - Safeties

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

if you think he has proven he deserves a middle level contract you are delusional. The guy has one play on his highlight video- the guy is a sleeper, who appears to be getting minimal interested- unless he has good offers,
there is no reason to pay him $3 or $4 million a year.

Rahim Moore got $ 4 million a year- Patrick Chung got $2.7 million

WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Free Agents - Safeties

What reliable source has indicated the Skins would over pay him? So far the contracts have been reasonable, and since BA has been here I think the Skins have made most if not all of their contracts within good salary cap management.

That said, if they put together a contract that has incentives and escalators that get him a number he will come here for, then his stats are far less important than the fact that he has been on a team that has incredible safety play and that Scot knows him from his rookie days and can evaluate how he has progressed.

Given our dearth of talent (maybe PT is an answer maybe not) at safety, bringing in a young player with upside for the right contract wouldn't be a bad thing. Might he be a dud, yes, but a well written contract protects the team from that. He might also be a capable safety who brings stability to the position and a well written contract provides him with the incentives to show it.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

'' much more " than the NFL minimum = about $1 million in the first year, with a small signing bonus... does he have any contract offers ?

if you think he has proven he deserves a middle level contract you are delusional. The guy has one play on his highlight video- the guy is a sleeper, who appears to be getting minimal interested- there is no reason to pay him $3 or $4 million a year.

Rahim Moore got $ 4 million a year- Patrick Chung got $2.7 million

Seattle slapped a second round tender on him last year as a RFA which entitled him to a salary of ~$2.2M although he restructured the deal. Bottom line, he was making close to 2.0M last year. He is looking for a place to start b/c he has been stuck behind Chancellor/Thomas but I seriously doubt he is willing to take a pay cut to do so.

Reports: Seahawks place second-round tender on S Jeron Johnson | Seahawks Blog | Seattle Times
Recent news on Jeron Johnson - Unsigned Free Agent - Rotoworld.com

In part the tender was placed on him last year b/c:

Many in Seattle’s organization feel Johnson could be a starter elsewhere if he had the opportunity.

The second-round tender placed on Johnson reflects Seattle’s belief other teams will be seriously interested in his services this offseason.

Seahawks place second-round tender on Jeron Johnson | ProFootballTalk

As I said, folks have been talking about him since before the market opened. Here is a good break down on him (from February):

"Hasn't gotten a ton of action because of the players in front of him (Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas), but when he's played he's been solid. He's a box safety more than anything -- strong against the run, a strong tackler, physical, tenacious," Kelly said. "He's a mainstay on special teams. Is useful in "big nickel" situations where you want a little more speed without sacrificing too much in tackling ability. It's tough to know how good he'd be in a starting role because he's rarely played."

Kelly does expect Johnson to seek a team where he could compete for a starting job.

"The Seahawks probably will make him a lowish offer but he's said that while he's loved it in Seattle, he wants to start somewhere, so it's likely he'll look for a new team," Kelly said.

Other teams that could be in play for Johnson include the Jacksonville Jaguars, where former Seattle defensive coordinator Gus Bradley is head coach, and the Washington Redskins. New Washington GM Scot McCloughan was a member of the Seattle personnel department when Johnson was signed.

New York Giants Potential Free-Agent Target: Jeron Johnson, S, Seattle Seahawks - Big Blue View

Several twitter insider folks have been talking about this guy for a while and are now saying that several teams have an interest in him:

‏@MikeGarafolo [Fox Sports] S Jeron Johnson getting action. Visiting the Redskins. Has other interest as well. Good special teamer and backup for Seattle last 4 years.

@Rand_Getlin [Yahoo Sports] Safety Jeron Johnson is visiting the #Redskins, per a league source. Market heating up for him. Super talented player.

So, has he "proven he deserves a middle level contract"? I concede he has not done so by his play - mainly b/c he has been stuck behind a couple of pro-bowlers. However, is he likely to get such a contract from someone based on his apparent reputation amongst the football people who are paid to know these things and appear to be interested in him according to the people who are paid to find out things from the football people.

If the Skins want to sign him, I would suggest it will have to be for a contract that is, at a minimum, in the $2-3M/year range and possibly approaching the $4M/year range with incentives. Bottom line, if Scot McC thinks he's worth it, I am more than good with it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

'' much more " than the NFL minimum = about $1 million in the first year, with a small signing bonus... does he have any contract offers ?

if you think he has proven he deserves a middle level contract you are delusional. The guy has one play on his highlight video- the guy is a sleeper, who appears to be getting minimal interested- there is no reason to pay him $3 or $4 million a year.

Rahim Moore got $ 4 million a year- Patrick Chung got $2.7 million

WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Free Agents - Safeties

Given all that was said back and forth, here is the breakdown of JJ's contract:

Washington Redskins contract breakdown: Jeron Johnson - ESPN

Here’s a breakdown of his deal:

2015

Base salary: $800,000, not guaranteed.

Cap hit:$1.225 million.

Note: If the Redskins really don’t like what they have in Johnson, it won’t be hard to get out of the deal. They could cut him in camp and only be out the $350,000 bonus. Also, he will receive $15,625 every game he’s on the 46-man roster up to $250,000. He also has $900,000 in not-likely-to-be-earned incentives.

2016

Base salary: $850,000, not guaranteed.

Cap hit: $1.275 million.

Note: If he’s released next offseason the Redskins would save $1.1 million on the salary cap with $175,000 in dead money. As in 2015, he will receive $15,625 for every game he’s on the 46-man roster, with a maximum value of $250,000. And he still has up to $900,000 in not-likely-to-be-earned incentives.

Seems like we got the one we wanted and pretty close to the cap price you wanted.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

. . . Seems like we got the one we wanted and pretty close to the cap price you wanted.

Agreed. Irrefutable take on the actual cost was pretty much spot on.

Have to admit I found the breakdown pleasantly surprising. Happy to admit I wrong on this one. Hope I 'm not wrong on the talent aspect.



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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Agreed. Irrefutable take on the actual cost was pretty much spot on.

Have to admit I found the breakdown pleasantly surprising. Happy to admit I wrong on this one. Hope I 'm not wrong on the talent aspect.



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My guess is his end pay will be in the area you were saying. The key is the not likely to be earned bonuses. Since he barely played, there could be a not likely to be earned bonus if he makes 3 tackles in a game, or two games with a pass defensed. So I am sure he feels confident he will earn them. Not to bother Lotus, but his being here is probably a kudos to BAs ability to write contracts as it is SM's talent evaluation.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

My guess is his end pay will be in the area you were saying. The key is the not likely to be earned bonuses. Since he barely played, there could be a not likely to be earned bonus if he makes 3 tackles in a game, or two games with a pass defensed. So I am sure he feels confident he will earn them. Not to bother Lotus, but his being here is probably a kudos to Eric Schaffer's ability to write contracts as it is SM's talent evaluation.

Fixed for you.

[mrreddman]

i would rather roll the dice on J Johnson and possibly catch lightning in a bottle than take a shot on any of the remaining safties available not named Ron Parker and/or Landon Collins. I think he might surprise some folks and i trust SM knows what he is doing by trying to get him here. Worse case scenario he elevates our ST play and is a backup safety... both of which is badly needed as well.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by mrreddman

i would rather roll the dice on J Johnson and possibly catch lightning in a bottle than take a shot on any of the remaining safties available not named Ron Parker and/or Landon Collins. I think he might surprise some folks and i trust SM knows what he is doing by trying to get him here. Worse case scenario he elevates our ST play and is a backup safety... both of which is badly needed as well.

We can use players like this. We cannot just over pay him, I agree on that. Give him a modest deal or a 3-4 year deal with pay escalators based on his play and performance.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

We can use players like this. We cannot just over pay him, I agree on that. Give him a modest deal or a 3-4 year deal with pay escalators based on his play and performance.

This.

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[mrreddman]

exactly.. nobody is saying give J Johnson a 5-6 Mil a year contract. but a 3-4 Mil a year kr so contract is reasonable IF you think and expect him to be a possible starter. Lets be real here... if there is competetion for his or anyone elses services we desire sometimes you just may have to overpay a bit to obtain a player. i mean if all things and pay are equal would you come to the Skins if the Pats, Seahawks, Packers, Steelers or Colts were offering you comparable money?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mrreddman

i would rather roll the dice on J Johnson and possibly catch lightning in a bottle than take a shot on any of the remaining safties available not named Ron Parker and/or Landon Collins. I think he might surprise some folks and i trust SM knows what he is doing by trying to get him here. Worse case scenario he elevates our ST play and is a backup safety... both of which is badly needed as well.

Great post, agree