Quarterback Hype

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

If Mariota is there - I believe the Redskins should and will take him. Consensus from draft scouting experts is Mariota is a top 10 player on their big boards.

Why would you take another QB who's an exact clone of RGIII and shares his same flaws? (coming from spread offense) Jay wants no part of it, that much is pretty evident. When are people going to learn you don't draft spread offense QBs unless your plan is to sit them for a good while as they learn? Did anybody listen to Mike Shanahan's interview when he discussed how Robert wasn't ready for a conventional offense even after year 1?? These guys are projects in the biggest form.

Originally Posted by Skins4L

let rg get one year where he feels like his job isnt on the line. kills a players confidence. some it helps. some it just irritates and gets in theyre head and they play worse.

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I have a weird feeling that we r going to trade griffin on draft day and take mariota. Anyone else feel this way?

I can see them moving Griffin on trade day, but not drafting Mariota. They'll move back if they can.

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not necessarily.

B) Many folks think that Bradford, when healthy, is better than Foles and way better than Mariota.

Valid point and one that's backed up by an article I read in Feb. about how teams were liking Bradford over Mariota. This goes back to my point about Chip using Bradford as a bargaining piece to move up for MM. Why would he if they valued Bradford over MM? Also, if any teams in top 5-10 valued Bradford over MM, why wouldn't they just trade that pick to the Rams for Bradford? If I"m the Titans and want a QB and think Bradford is better than MM, why not trade the #2 for him? That's provided all the other players on your board rank below Bradford as well.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why would you take another QB who's an exact clone of RGIII and shares his same flaws? (coming from spread offense) Jay wants no part of it, that much is pretty evident. When are people going to learn you don't draft spread offense QBs unless your plan is to sit them for a good while as they learn? Did anybody listen to Mike Shanahan's interview when he discussed how Robert wasn't ready for a conventional offense even after year 1?? These guys are projects in the biggest form.









I can see them moving Griffin on trade day, but not drafting Mariota. They'll move back if they can.




Valid point and one that's backed up by an article I read in Feb. about how teams were liking Bradford over Mariota. This goes back to my point about Chip using Bradford as a bargaining piece to move up for MM. Why would he if they valued Bradford over MM? Also, if any teams in top 5-10 valued Bradford over MM, why wouldn't they just trade that pick to the Rams for Bradford? If I"m the Titans and want a QB and think Bradford is better than MM, why not trade the #2 for him? That's provided all the other players on your board rank below Bradford as well.

I don't think Chippy values Bradford more than Mariota. That's why the Bradford trade, by itself, is odd.

Why didn't teams other than Philly trade with the Rams for Bradford? Who knows. Maybe the Rams demanded some sort of starting QB in trade because they don't like Mariota either. If so, neither Tennessee nor the Skins could ante up, because we don't have player trading pieces who resemble starting QB's.

I think it's one of those 3-way trades, just in slow motion.

BTW I think you are dead on about why we wouldn't draft Mariota, barring Bruce Allen pulling another McNabb fiasco or ownership falling in love with MM.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't think Chippy values Bradford more than Mariota. That's why the Bradford trade, by itself, is odd.(

Pat Shurmur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is why I think the Eagles will be staying with Bradford and not moving up.

Originally Posted by Skins4L

Theres a chance Philly wont even look good. All this hype and really what did they upgrade.. Nothing yet. Bradford for Foles, Demarco The Fumble Machine for McCoy. And they drop Maclin.

They upgraded their LB core with Kiko. Murray was a sidegrade on the RB and fits better in Chips scheme. They didn't drop Maclin. They offered him a good deal of money, it's just KC offered him a stupid ass amount of money. I think Bradford for Foles is a push in terms of a trade. I wouldn't have done the 2nd rounder though.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Pat Shurmur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is why I think the Eagles will be staying with Bradford and not moving up.






They upgraded their LB core with Kiko. Murray was a sidegrade on the RB and fits better in Chips scheme. They didn't drop Maclin. They offered him a good deal of money, it's just KC offered him a stupid ass amount of money. I think Bradford for Foles is a push in terms of a trade. I wouldn't have done the 2nd rounder though.

Great point.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Pat Shurmur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is why I think the Eagles will be staying with Bradford and not moving up.






They upgraded their LB core with Kiko. Murray was a sidegrade on the RB and fits better in Chips scheme. They didn't drop Maclin. They offered him a good deal of money, it's just KC offered him a stupid ass amount of money. I think Bradford for Foles is a push in terms of a trade. I wouldn't have done the 2nd rounder though.

I understand the Shurmur connection and you may be right. But I still remain unconvinced. I'm pretty sure that Kelly lied about being offered a first round pick for Bradford the same day he traded. No reason to lie unless you are up to something.

Besides, as long as we are talking about connections...who recruited Mariota to Oregon? Chip Kelly!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I understand the Shurmur connection and you may be right. But I still remain unconvinced. I'm pretty sure that Kelly lied about being offered a first round pick for Bradford the same day he traded. No reason to lie unless you are up to something.

Besides, as long as we are talking about connections...who recruited Mariota to Oregon? Chip Kelly!

The problem with any trade up scenario is that they also traded their 2nd next year. So IF their first is a part of any trade they would not have a pick till the 3rd round no matter which qb they keep. And CK isn't THAT dumb. Now if MM were to fall out of top 10 maybe they package Bradford and picks but I doubt it.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why would you take another QB who's an exact clone of RGIII and shares his same flaws? (coming from spread offense) Jay wants no part of it, that much is pretty evident. When are people going to learn you don't draft spread offense QBs unless your plan is to sit them for a good while as they learn? Did anybody listen to Mike Shanahan's interview when he discussed how Robert wasn't ready for a conventional offense even after year 1?? These guys are projects in the biggest form.









I can see them moving Griffin on trade day, but not drafting Mariota. They'll move back if they can.




Valid point and one that's backed up by an article I read in Feb. about how teams were liking Bradford over Mariota. This goes back to my point about Chip using Bradford as a bargaining piece to move up for MM. Why would he if they valued Bradford over MM? Also, if any teams in top 5-10 valued Bradford over MM, why wouldn't they just trade that pick to the Rams for Bradford? If I"m the Titans and want a QB and think Bradford is better than MM, why not trade the #2 for him? That's provided all the other players on your board rank below Bradford as well.

Couldnt agree more,I sure as hell hope the skins dont take Mariota for the exact points you said,get somebody who can block for crying out loud