Redskins reportedly are not bringing back Colt McCoy

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I just don't think the QB position is getting "fixed" this year. IMHO - Scot McC is seeing what JG can do with the materials at hand. If he makes progress, he gets another year and maybe a new QB (or maybe the QB position is resolved with the materials at hand). If no progress, despite all the other upgrades, then out goes JG and in comes Scot McC's coach (whomever that may be).

Again, no quick fixes but rather patience and seeking a long term solution at all levels. Fan base is going to need to make some attitude adjustments on how to judge progress.

If we go into the season with McCoy, Cousins, and RGIII as our QB's, you might as well pencil us in for 4-12 right now. We already know from experience that you can't win with that group.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Lotus

If we go into the season with McCoy, Cousins, and RGIII as our QB's, you might as well pencil us in for 4-12 right now. We already know from experience that you can't win with that group.

You talk like they are the only three guys on the team that can influence a win.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

You talk like they are the only three guys on the team that can influence a win.

Sorry, I did not mean to imply that.

Nonetheless, as for QB contributions to wins, we know already what the current QB group offers: nothing. We will once again have one of the worst QB groupings in the league if we stand pat.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Sorry, I did not mean to imply that.

Nonetheless, as for QB contributions to wins, we know already what the current QB group offers: nothing. We will once again have one of the worst QB groupings in the league if we stand pat.

What do you suggest that they do? The options are pretty limited in free agency.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What do you suggest that they do? The options are pretty limited in free agency.

True about FA. Same is true in the draft in terms of instant starters.

IMO we should swap first round picks with the Iggles, picking up Sam Bradford in the process. We also should draft a rookie to groom like Sean Mannion in the middle rounds. Thus we have a starter caliber player for this year (although no world beater) and an eye on the future.

Trading in this way with the Iggles would still leave us with pick #20, where right tackles, pass rushers, and maybe even Landon Collins would be available. So we fix QB - albeit maybe only temporarily - and still improve elsewhere with a first round talent.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

True about FA. Same is true in the draft in terms of instant starters.

IMO we should swap first round picks with the Iggles, picking up Sam Bradford in the process. We also should draft a rookie to groom like Sean Mannion in the middle rounds. Thus we have a starter caliber player for this year (although no world beater) and an eye on the future.

Trading in this way with the Iggles would still leave us with pick #20, where right tackles, pass rushers, and maybe even Landon Collins would be available. So we fix QB - albeit maybe only temporarily - and still improve elsewhere with a first round talent.

The Eagles probably aren't trading Bradford. Also he's as fragile as a wine glass. He more fragile than Griffin. No way would I want that guy. He's talented but even when healthy it's been mixed results.

I'm with you on Mannion.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Lotus

True about FA. Same is true in the draft in terms of instant starters.

IMO we should swap first round picks with the Iggles, picking up Sam Bradford in the process. We also should draft a rookie to groom like Sean Mannion in the middle rounds. Thus we have a starter caliber player for this year (although no world beater) and an eye on the future.

Trading in this way with the Iggles would still leave us with pick #20, where right tackles, pass rushers, and maybe even Landon Collins would be available. So we fix QB - albeit maybe only temporarily - and still improve elsewhere with a first round talent.

No way I trade our 5th pick to philly for their pick at 20th and Sam Bradford. He much as a risk as RG3 at this point. Maybe a team like the Bears or Browns will won't to draft Marcus Marriota at 5 . I would listen to them and the Browns do have 2 first round picks this year. I'm not moving down past 15th pick.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Lotus

If we go into the season with McCoy, Cousins, and RGIII as our QB's, you might as well pencil us in for 4-12 right now. We already know from experience that you can't win with that group.

Not sure I agree. Last year was JG's first as a coach, there was no QB coach, and Bill Callahan wasn't here. In addition, the D was - well - terrible. Let's see if the QB play improves with a year in the new system and a dedicated QB coach.

You may be right, the current QB's may be truly limited in their ceilings. If so, we address it next year. On the other hand, patience is a virtue - we simply can fix it all in a year and, at that position, it's important to do it right. Otherwise, we keep recycling crap.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Not sure I agree. Last year was JG's first as a coach, there was no QB coach, and Bill Callahan wasn't here. In addition, the D was - well - terrible. Let's see if the QB play improves with a year in the new system and a dedicated QB coach.

You may be right, the current QB's may be truly limited in their ceilings. If so, we address it next year. On the other hand, patience is a virtue - we simply can fix it all in a year and, at that position, it's important to do it right. Otherwise, we keep recycling crap.

If we focus more on the run, less on the pass, have better special teams play and a defense that can keep games manageable for the offense we can have a decent season. We need to focus less on depending on QB play and more on our other areas.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

If we focus more on the run, less on the pass, have better special teams play and a defense that can keep games manageable for the offense we can have a decent season. We need to focus less on depending on QB play and more on our other areas.

Well it looks like that's what they're doing/did. When Griffin is in there we don't see a pass over 10 yards.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

If we go into the season with McCoy, Cousins, and RGIII as our QB's, you might as well pencil us in for 4-12 right now. We already know from experience that you can't win with that group.

No way. We'll win a minimum of 6 games. That defensive line has been upgraded dramatically. However, six may also be the maximum wins as well...lol

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No way. We'll win a minimum of 6 games. That defensive line has been upgraded dramatically. However, six may also be the maximum wins as well...lol

Have it your way. Six wins. Still not good enough.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Have it your way. Six wins. Still not good enough.

Anyone with SB dreams this year is going to be disappointed. It's year 1 of building this shit the right way. I'm almost going to hope for another top 10 pick to get this team stocked up again.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone with SB dreams this year is going to be disappointed. It's year 1 of building this shit the right way. I'm almost going to hope for another top 10 pick to get this team stocked up again.

Yeah, the way I see this year is that you'll see a team that is much more competitive than what has been put out on the field the last two seasons. However, despite the competitiveness, I don't think that is going to equate into more wins (more than six that is.) But I think we'll see progress on the field.

with that said, to have another top 10 pick would be great.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Have it your way. Six wins. Still not good enough.

What are your expectations?