With the 5th pick in the draft the Washington Redskins select...

[Chico23231]

The closer we get to the draft, the more I feel like our focus will be 1. Trade out 2. focus on getting Leonard Williams 3. or focus on getting Amari Cooper. just a gut feeling...

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The closer we get to the draft, the more I feel like our focus will be 1. Trade out 2. focus on getting Leonard Williams 3. or focus on getting Amari Cooper. just a gut feeling...

Why do I get this feeling RGIII is getting traded on draft day?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Why do I get this feeling RGIII is getting traded on draft day?

This feeling comes from your brain and in your brain when you watch RG3 play on the field you say to yourself, "RG3, GTFO!"

[redskinsfan1980]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Why do I get this feeling RGIII is getting traded on draft day?

Lets pull our heads out of our asses. Who's going to want to trade for RG3? Over the last two seasons he hasn't showed anything to resembles a starting qb. It's no way it's going to happen.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

Lets pull our heads out of our asses. Who's going to want to trade for RG3? Over the last two seasons he hasn't showed anything to resembles a starting qb. It's no way it's going to happen.

I think their is always a market for starting QBs, especially ones with ROY under the belts. The egos around the league always think they can tinker with a player mechanics or their own scheme to elevate the player. As many QB come into the league, look around...their always seems to be a shortage on talent. I think at least 5 teams who would offer a 3rd, a couple might offer a 2nd for RG3. Just my opinion.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Why do I get this feeling RGIII is getting traded on draft day?

I feel that Scot McC will do the same thing the Seahawks did in the offseason before the 2012-13 season. Acquire a veteran QB and draft a project QB. He's been building up the defense and our running game has not been much of an issue (except when there is no passing game).

I just get the feeling that Gruden will get a pocket (veteran) QB for now and they'll have a project QB who Gruden can groom.

If we're going to have RG3, Mariotta, Cousins, or any young QB; we would have need to acquire free agents the same way we did for the defense. But our offense as it is right now, needs a veteran QB that can overcome our shitty line in order to not be a disaster. This is why acquiring Rivers through some trade that includes an exchange in #1 picks would make a lot of sense under these circumstances.

[SirLK26]

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[SirLK26]

By the time Harbaugh got to San Francisco, McCloughan had been there 5 years already, rebuilding that team. They were stocked.

I'd like to see examples of teams that have had multiple losing seasons in a row and then turned right around and had multiple winning seasons in a row. I can't think of any right off the bat. We had a good year in 2012 after several bad years, but obviously that was just a mirage. Houston had a decent year this year after a 2-14 season in 2013, but they still had a lot of talent(and JJ Watt). They didn't need to be rebuilt. Same story with Indianapolis in 2012.

If you have to rebuild, it takes time.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

By the time Harbaugh got to San Francisco, McCloughan had been there 5 years already, rebuilding that team. They were stocked.

You really need the right GM and the right HC to win. Before Harbaugh arrived in S.F., they had the right GM but they didn't have the right HC.

Let's hope that we have the right GM and HC in place and that they will be allowed to stick around long enough for us to turn the corner. Rebuilding requires ownership to stay the course, as well.

[Defensewins]

^^ Obviously every re-building team is different, with different circumstances:
- returning talent/veterans
- Salary Cap Space and what they will really spend. Not always the same for every team, some teams are cheap.
- Available FA's in a given year
- And the biggest variable is the GM/FO/Coaching staff's skills in finding talent, developing talent and spending money on FA's wisely.

To many variables to be able to paint with a broad brush.

Clearly the true measure of a team is on the field results and we are still months away from seeing anything. But I must say I like what we have done so far this off season.
Last off season our prior FO rather unwisely spent most of available cap space on Orakpo (terrible move), DeSean Jackson (WR not area of biggets need) and Offensive Guard Lavaou who did not impress that much.

[JoeRedskin]

Here is one of Kiper's breakdown of the top five (assuming no trades):

1. TBay - Winston
2. Tenn - Mariotta
3. Jax - Williams
4. Oak - Cooper
5. Wash - Fowler

Say Fowler goes to Jax, as some project, and, similarly, Oakland goes with White over Cooper. Who do you pick at 5? Williams, Cooper or Beasley.

Personally, based on everything I have read about it, Williams is the BPA of the draft and he fits a need so it's a no brainer to me.

On the other hand, if its Cooper, Fowler and Beasley, that's just a tough call given the immediate needs of the team, Fowler and Beasley's lack of "sure thing"edness, and Cooper's guaranteed (as guaranteed as a draft pick can be) high floor. (Every talking head and analyst says all this guy's comparable's are perennial pro bowler/HOFer's - like Williams, he appears to be about as close to a sure thing as you can get in the draft).

Confronted by the Cooper/Fowler/Beasley conundrum, I defer to Scot McC and will not give him crap no matter whom he picks.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Say Fowler goes to Jax, as some project, and, similarly, Oakland goes with White over Cooper. Who do you pick at 5? Williams, Cooper or Beasley.

I pick Williams. No questions asked..even if it was Fowler and not Beasley I would still pick Williams.

I think its much easier to find a good edge rusher then it is to find an impactful 34 DE and our DL needs them...Hatcher is merely a rental. And more importantly for me Leonard is clearly the BPA in my eyes.

....lack of "sure thing"edness, and Cooper's guaranteed (as guaranteed as a draft pick can be) high floor. (Every talking head and analyst says all this guy's comparable's are perennial pro bowler/HOFer's - like Williams, he appears to be about as close to a sure thing as you can get in the draft).

I don't buy that whole sure thing or guarantee baloney some draft guys say. I think prediction is a myth because people are people there is no predicting what anyone will do. HOWEVER I believe in assessment and evaluation and based on those I believe its possible to accurately rank the draft eligible players based on what we can know. Prediction? Imho is myth. Any prospect can bust or pro-bowler from the 1st pick to an UDFA and the difference in talent that separates is never as great as we think. The difference in actual talent between a 1st round QB and UDFA isn't nearly as wide a margin as the distance in their draft selection.

I say all that only to say any prospect can bust and there are no guarantees.

....Confronted by the Cooper/Fowler/Beasley conundrum

For my money I'll take Cooper.

I lean more towards being a BPA guy then a 'need' guy but even when it comes to need I wouldn't put OLB/edge rusher as a premium 1st round need on this team. I'm of the mindset that you a 34 defense "needs" 1 premium OLB pass rusher and having a 2nd while nice isn't something to chase after at the expense of other positions.

Also I think Coopers impact on the passing game would be greater then any other receiver selected in this draft and I'm not sure about the difference between Fowler/Beasley and say an Eli Harold or Nate Orchard or Frank Clark or Davis Tull or Deion Barnes or Art Norman. Heck the top rookie edge rusher last year weren't first rounders they were 5th rounders.

So given the choice between Cooper/Fowler/Beasely I take Cooper easy.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I lean more towards being a BPA guy then a 'need' guy but even when it comes to need I wouldn't put OLB/edge rusher as a premium 1st round need on this team. I'm of the mindset that you a 34 defense "needs" 1 premium OLB pass rusher and having a 2nd while nice isn't something to chase after at the expense of other positions.

I have two problems with your position on this:

1. While he is a very good football player, Kerrigan isn't what I consider to be a premium OLB pass rusher.

2. Since when is one top-notch edge rusher enough? It seems to me that just about every NFL team is looking to have a pair of them. Some teams can't seem to get enough of them.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

1. While he is a very good football player, Kerrigan isn't what I consider to be a premium OLB pass rusher.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this. Ryan was tied for 7th in sacks and top 3 in OLB behind only Justin Houston and Pernell McPhee for pass rush productivity.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

2. Since when is one top-notch edge rusher enough?

Who said having one was enough? I didn't.

Here's what I did say...

Originally Posted by 30gut

...I wouldn't put OLB/edge rusher as a premium 1st round need on this team. I'm of the mindset that you a 34 defense "needs" 1 premium OLB pass rusher and having a 2nd while nice isn't something to chase after at the expense of other positions.........and I'm not sure about the difference between Fowler/Beasley and say an Eli Harold or Nate Orchard or Frank Clark or Davis Tull or Deion Barnes or Art Norman. Heck the top rookie edge rusher last year weren't first rounders they were 5th rounders.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I pick Williams. No questions asked..even if it was Fowler and not Beasley I would still pick Williams.

I think its much easier to find a good edge rusher then it is to find an impactful 34 DE and our DL needs them...Hatcher is merely a rental. And more importantly for me Leonard is clearly the BPA in my eyes.

I don't buy that whole sure thing or guarantee baloney some draft guys say. I think prediction is a myth because people are people there is no predicting what anyone will do. HOWEVER I believe in assessment and evaluation and based on those I believe its possible to accurately rank the draft eligible players based on what we can know. Prediction? Imho is myth. Any prospect can bust or pro-bowler from the 1st pick to an UDFA and the difference in talent that separates is never as great as we think. The difference in actual talent between a 1st round QB and UDFA isn't nearly as wide a margin as the distance in their draft selection.

I say all that only to say any prospect can bust and there are no guarantees.

For my money I'll take Cooper.

I lean more towards being a BPA guy then a 'need' guy but even when it comes to need I wouldn't put OLB/edge rusher as a premium 1st round need on this team. I'm of the mindset that you a 34 defense "needs" 1 premium OLB pass rusher and having a 2nd while nice isn't something to chase after at the expense of other positions.

Also I think Coopers impact on the passing game would be greater then any other receiver selected in this draft and I'm not sure about the difference between Fowler/Beasley and say an Eli Harold or Nate Orchard or Frank Clark or Davis Tull or Deion Barnes or Art Norman. Heck the top rookie edge rusher last year weren't first rounders they were 5th rounders.

So given the choice between Cooper/Fowler/Beasely I take Cooper easy.

wr's can be found anywhere in the draft. Look around the league and see how many mid rounders are playing. Elite pass rushers are much harder to find. We only have one pass rusher and he's not even elite. Obviously we still struggle to get off the field on 3rd down and getting a sack master seems to be a priority. Murphy simply didn't show that skill set last year.