With the 5th pick in the draft the Washington Redskins select...

[KI Skins Fan]

There's no film on Beasley playing at 246 lbs. That bothers me a little. On the other hand, I think he is a superb athlete with a big time motor. His production is college is unquestioned. But can he be effective carrying that much weight and can he keep his weight up over a 16 game season? He's going to need more power to go against big, talented LOTs in the NFL. Nevertheless, the more film I see on him the more it seems to me like he could do anything on a football field. Worst case, he could be moved to ILB where he would be a beast. But then we wouldn't have the edge rusher we crave.

Fowler has a bigger frame than Beasley. There is plenty of film on him playing at 260 lbs. and dominating people. He seems to have the better build for an NFL 3-4 LB. I have no doubt that he'll be an effective pass rusher in the NFL.

It's a good, tough choice to have between these two players.

[30gut]

I wouldn't go 34 OLB at pick 5.

In keeping with BPA none of the pass rushers at 5 rate higher then Cooper or White for me. Heck none of them rate better then Schreff or Waynes ( would prefer to trade down to select one of those 2).

[SFREDSKIN]

It's funny, everyone talking Fowler and Beasley. How about Shane Ray?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I wouldn't go 34 OLB at pick 5.

In keeping with BPA none of the pass rushers at 5 rate higher then Cooper or White for me. Heck none of them rate better then Schreff or Waynes ( would prefer to trade down to select one of those 2).

A trade down where we got Scherff or La'el Collins would be fine with me.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I wouldn't go 34 OLB at pick 5.

In keeping with BPA none of the pass rushers at 5 rate higher then Cooper or White for me. Heck none of them rate better then Schreff or Waynes ( would prefer to trade down to select one of those 2).

Waynes should be in the discussion...Schreff is a bit overhyped imo.

[redskinsfan1980]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I wouldn't go 34 OLB at pick 5.

In keeping with BPA none of the pass rushers at 5 rate higher then Cooper or White for me. Heck none of them rate better then Schreff or Waynes ( would prefer to trade down to select one of those 2).

These wr are way to small to even be considered in the top 5. Neither one of these guys are the next Calvin Johnson or AJ Green. When you look at our wr core we size, not more speed. We have plenty of that already.

The pass rushers in this draft are pretty good. Fowler has size and transition speed and power fluidly. He's going to be a stud. Vic Beasly is an outstanding passer rusher. He' kinda undersized but he'll put on weight and with his athleticism he'll carry it well. He's a natural pass rusher and probably the best one in the draft. Shane Ray also a natural pass rusher with great speed. Either one of these guys will immediately improve our pass rush.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

These wr are way to small to even be considered in the top 5. Neither one of these guys are the next Calvin Johnson or AJ Green. When you look at our wr core we size, not more speed. We have plenty of that already.

The pass rushers in this draft are pretty good. Fowler has size and transition speed and power fluidly. He's going to be a stud. Vic Beasly is an outstanding passer rusher. He' kinda undersized but he'll put on weight and with his athleticism he'll carry it well. He's a natural pass rusher and probably the best one in the draft. Shane Ray also a natural pass rusher with great speed. Either one of these guys will immediately improve our pass rush.

Kevin White is 6'3" 215 and Cooper is 6'1" 210 so I don't get your too small argument

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Kevin White is 6'3" 215 and Cooper is 6'1" 210 so I don't get your too small argument

Well, they're obviously not too small. I think they are both outstanding prospects. The only concern I have about either of them is the "one year wonder" aspect of White's college career.

The problem I have with them is the fact that they are WR's. For me, in view of our needs, one of them would have to be w-a-a-a-y better than any of the edge rushers for me to understand picking him at #5.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Well, they're obviously not too small. I think they are both outstanding prospects. The only concern I have about either of them is the "one year wonder" aspect of White's college career.

The problem I have with them is the fact that they are WR's. For me, in view of our needs, one of them would have to be w-a-a-a-y better than any of the edge rushers for me to understand picking him at #5.

If Scot feels they are the BPA then I say go for it. My top 3 are:
1a) Leonard Williams
1b) Amari Cooper
3) Dante Fowler Jr./ Vic Beasley

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

If Scot feels they are the BPA then I say go for it. My top 3 are:
1a) Leonard Williams
1b) Amari Cooper
3) Dante Fowler Jr./ Vic Beasley

1a) Stranger things have happened in the draft than a player of Leonard Williams' caliber going at #5. If that were to happen, I think Scot might set the all-time record for the least time on the clock before making a pick. I would hope so, anyway. He would be a wonderful addition to our team.

1b) I stand by my previous statement: I don't want no stinkin' WR at #5.

3) Fowler has the frame to carry 260 lbs. and play OLB in a 3-4. I'm not so sure about Beasley in a 3-4. Beasley is a great athlete and football player, though. WTH, I'll let Scot decide.

[redskinsfan1980]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Kevin White is 6'3" 215 and Cooper is 6'1" 210 so I don't get your too small argument

Let me rephrase that. I don't mean they're small in a sense that they're undersized. It's just that neither one of these guys are 6'6 or 6'5 matchup nightmares. If we're going draft a guy wr at 5 he should fit that role.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

Let me rephrase that. I don't mean they're small in a sense that they're undersized. It's just that neither one of these guys are 6'6 or 6'5 matchup nightmares. If we're going draft a guy wr at 5 he should fit that role.

No he shouldn't, if he can play he can play. Let's look at the top 5 picks from last year. Ask a tone of those teams if they would rather have Odell Beckham Jr. Right now, BPA is BPA and if we get to #5 and Scot feels that Amari Cooper is the BPA then we take him, and the way I see the draft going, I think Cooper will be the BPA at pick 5 when we are on the clock

[redskinsfan1980]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

No he shouldn't, if he can play he can play. Let's look at the top 5 picks from last year. Ask a tone of those teams if they would rather have Odell Beckham Jr. Right now, BPA is BPA and if we get to #5 and Scot feels that Amari Cooper is the BPA then we take him, and the way I see the draft going, I think Cooper will be the BPA at pick 5 when we are on the clock

We already have wrs that fit the mole of the Odell Beckham Jr. We need size at wr. If you can't see that then you don't know enough about football to even be having this conversation with me. This team don't need another wr. We need something that we didn't have last year and that's a pass rush.