With the 5th pick in the draft the Washington Redskins select...

[redskinsfan1980]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I wouldn't go 34 OLB at pick 5.

In keeping with BPA none of the pass rushers at 5 rate higher then Cooper or White for me. Heck none of them rate better then Schreff or Waynes ( would prefer to trade down to select one of those 2).

These wr are way to small to even be considered in the top 5. Neither one of these guys are the next Calvin Johnson or AJ Green. When you look at our wr core we size, not more speed. We have plenty of that already.

The pass rushers in this draft are pretty good. Fowler has size and transition speed and power fluidly. He's going to be a stud. Vic Beasly is an outstanding passer rusher. He' kinda undersized but he'll put on weight and with his athleticism he'll carry it well. He's a natural pass rusher and probably the best one in the draft. Shane Ray also a natural pass rusher with great speed. Either one of these guys will immediately improve our pass rush.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

These wr are way to small to even be considered in the top 5. Neither one of these guys are the next Calvin Johnson or AJ Green. When you look at our wr core we size, not more speed. We have plenty of that already.

The pass rushers in this draft are pretty good. Fowler has size and transition speed and power fluidly. He's going to be a stud. Vic Beasly is an outstanding passer rusher. He' kinda undersized but he'll put on weight and with his athleticism he'll carry it well. He's a natural pass rusher and probably the best one in the draft. Shane Ray also a natural pass rusher with great speed. Either one of these guys will immediately improve our pass rush.

Kevin White is 6'3" 215 and Cooper is 6'1" 210 so I don't get your too small argument

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Kevin White is 6'3" 215 and Cooper is 6'1" 210 so I don't get your too small argument

Well, they're obviously not too small. I think they are both outstanding prospects. The only concern I have about either of them is the "one year wonder" aspect of White's college career.

The problem I have with them is the fact that they are WR's. For me, in view of our needs, one of them would have to be w-a-a-a-y better than any of the edge rushers for me to understand picking him at #5.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Well, they're obviously not too small. I think they are both outstanding prospects. The only concern I have about either of them is the "one year wonder" aspect of White's college career.

The problem I have with them is the fact that they are WR's. For me, in view of our needs, one of them would have to be w-a-a-a-y better than any of the edge rushers for me to understand picking him at #5.

If Scot feels they are the BPA then I say go for it. My top 3 are:
1a) Leonard Williams
1b) Amari Cooper
3) Dante Fowler Jr./ Vic Beasley

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

If Scot feels they are the BPA then I say go for it. My top 3 are:
1a) Leonard Williams
1b) Amari Cooper
3) Dante Fowler Jr./ Vic Beasley

1a) Stranger things have happened in the draft than a player of Leonard Williams' caliber going at #5. If that were to happen, I think Scot might set the all-time record for the least time on the clock before making a pick. I would hope so, anyway. He would be a wonderful addition to our team.

1b) I stand by my previous statement: I don't want no stinkin' WR at #5.

3) Fowler has the frame to carry 260 lbs. and play OLB in a 3-4. I'm not so sure about Beasley in a 3-4. Beasley is a great athlete and football player, though. WTH, I'll let Scot decide.

[redskinsfan1980]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Kevin White is 6'3" 215 and Cooper is 6'1" 210 so I don't get your too small argument

Let me rephrase that. I don't mean they're small in a sense that they're undersized. It's just that neither one of these guys are 6'6 or 6'5 matchup nightmares. If we're going draft a guy wr at 5 he should fit that role.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

Let me rephrase that. I don't mean they're small in a sense that they're undersized. It's just that neither one of these guys are 6'6 or 6'5 matchup nightmares. If we're going draft a guy wr at 5 he should fit that role.

No he shouldn't, if he can play he can play. Let's look at the top 5 picks from last year. Ask a tone of those teams if they would rather have Odell Beckham Jr. Right now, BPA is BPA and if we get to #5 and Scot feels that Amari Cooper is the BPA then we take him, and the way I see the draft going, I think Cooper will be the BPA at pick 5 when we are on the clock

[redskinsfan1980]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

No he shouldn't, if he can play he can play. Let's look at the top 5 picks from last year. Ask a tone of those teams if they would rather have Odell Beckham Jr. Right now, BPA is BPA and if we get to #5 and Scot feels that Amari Cooper is the BPA then we take him, and the way I see the draft going, I think Cooper will be the BPA at pick 5 when we are on the clock

We already have wrs that fit the mole of the Odell Beckham Jr. We need size at wr. If you can't see that then you don't know enough about football to even be having this conversation with me. This team don't need another wr. We need something that we didn't have last year and that's a pass rush.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

We already have wrs that fit the mole of the Odell Beckham Jr. We need size at wr. If you can't see that then you don't know enough about football to even be having this conversation with me. This team don't need another wr. We need something that we didn't have last year and that's a pass rush.

First off, Cooper is 6' 1"/211 lbs. Plenty of size.

As to your main point, however, I have said it before, passing on a guy you believe to be the BPA b/c he doesn't fit an immediate need is the definition of short term thinking and what has gotten this franchise into so much trouble in the past. If Scot McC thinks Cooper is the clear cut BPA at 5, he should take him. If - and only if - it's a toss-up to Scot McC as to who is the BPA between Cooper and Fowler/Beasley, sure, then need plays a part.

Yes. We have an immediate need for pass-rushers. Betting on a rookie - even the 5 pick - to resolve that need is pretty damn risky. Particularly when all of the prospective pass rushers are flawed in some way and there is no clear "I am the guy" at the position and, instead, three or four "I may be The Guy but I may be a bust" players at the position.

However, we also have a long term need for the best football players we can get at every position. Betting on finding one of those by picking the BPA - regardless of position - at the 5 pick is as close to a gimme as you can get in the draft process.

Build for the long term, become a solid team, then take some risks.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

First off, Cooper is 6' 1"/211 lbs. Plenty of size.

As to your main point, however, I have said it before, passing on a guy you believe to be the BPA b/c he doesn't fit an immediate need is the definition of short term thinking and what has gotten this franchise into so much trouble in the past. If Scot McC thinks Cooper is the clear cut BPA at 5, he should take him. If - and only if - it's a toss-up to Scot McC as to who is the BPA between Cooper and Fowler/Beasley, sure, then need plays a part.

Yes. We have an immediate need for pass-rushers. Betting on a rookie - even the 5 pick - to resolve that need is pretty damn risky. Particularly when all of the prospective pass rushers are flawed in some way and there is no clear "I am the guy" at the position and, instead, three or four "I may be The Guy but I may be a bust" players at the position.
However, we also have a long term need for the best football players we can get at every position. Betting on finding one of those by picking the BPA - regardless of position - at the 5 pick is as close to a gimme as you can get in the draft process.

Build for the long term, become a solid team, then take some risks.

I agree...McC should take BPA, if he thinks that is Cooper and he is there at #5 then so be it. In the end it's all a crap shoot anyway, I think we should try the BPA this go around..Remember when we need WR's during the Vinny era and his first 3 picks that year were Devin Thomas, Kelly and Fred Davis didn't work out so well.

[redskinsfan1980]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

First off, Cooper is 6' 1"/211 lbs. Plenty of size.

As to your main point, however, I have said it before, passing on a guy you believe to be the BPA b/c he doesn't fit an immediate need is the definition of short term thinking and what has gotten this franchise into so much trouble in the past. If Scot McC thinks Cooper is the clear cut BPA at 5, he should take him. If - and only if - it's a toss-up to Scot McC as to who is the BPA between Cooper and Fowler/Beasley, sure, then need plays a part.

Yes. We have an immediate need for pass-rushers. Betting on a rookie - even the 5 pick - to resolve that need is pretty damn risky. Particularly when all of the prospective pass rushers are flawed in some way and there is no clear "I am the guy" at the position and, instead, three or four "I may be The Guy but I may be a bust" players at the position.

However, we also have a long term need for the best football players we can get at every position. Betting on finding one of those by picking the BPA - regardless of position - at the 5 pick is as close to a gimme as you can get in the draft process.

Build for the long term, become a solid team, then take some risks.

I don't know about you but 6'1 doesn't impress me due to the fact that there are a lot of corners in this league that's 6'0+. If you're talking about a guy in 6'5 or 6'6 range then you're talking a match up nightmare.

This team has been needing a consistent pass rush for years. It's an immediate, short, and long term need. If you ever want to ever have a good team? We need a good defense. There are some good pass rushers in this draft. I'm more than willing to risk getting one of them before a draft a player we definitely don't need.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

We already have wrs that fit the mole of the Odell Beckham Jr. We need size at wr. If you can't see that then you don't know enough about football to even be having this conversation with me. This team don't need another wr. We need something that we didn't have last year and that's a pass rush.

Ahhh the ole need vs BPA question.

I think there is a case that not only is Cooper possible BPA he also fills a critical need both short term and long term.

Coop is a complete WR unlike DeSean who is one of the best deep threat but doesn't run a complete route tree or Garcon who is a great after the catch and a great blocker but doesn't consistently 'win' in man to man or achieve clear separation with his routes.

...Oh and in the immediate long term as early as next year Garcon and maybe even DeSean could be gone.

[redskinsfan1980]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Ahhh the ole need vs BPA question.

I think there is a case that not only is Cooper possible BPA he also fills a critical need both short term and long term.

Coop is a complete WR unlike DeSean who is one of the best deep threat but doesn't run a complete route tree or Garcon who is a great after the catch and a great blocker but doesn't consistently 'win' in man to man or achieve clear separation with his routes.

...Oh and in the immediate long term as early as next year Garcon and maybe even DeSean could be gone.

SMH...We have to have the dumbest fans in the league. What difference does another wr make when your offensive line getting manhandled? Poor pass protection and poor run blocking will always have a negative outcome. What differences would another wr make if your defense can't get off the field? Giving average qbs forever to find a wr will always end disastrous. Outside of the qb position these are one of the main reasons why we're losing. How does Cooper address any of these major issues? I would really like to know.