All things off season 2015.

[skinsfan69]

What cracks me up is the NFL actually spent millions on this, put in numerous amounts of hours, all cause a ball was deflated 1.2 psi. Think about how really stupid that is, and how ridiculous it is that they would go to those lengths to prove something so minor.

To me it just should have been handled with a simple phone call by someone in the league office to the head coach. A warning should have been given and be done with it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What cracks me up is the NFL actually spent millions on this, put in numerous amounts of hours, all cause a ball was deflated 1.2 psi. Think about how really stupid that is, and how ridiculous it is that they would go to those lengths to prove something so minor.

To me it just should have been handled with a simple phone call by someone in the league office to the head coach. A warning should have been given and be done with it.

Yeah. You're an idiot.

What does the NFL sell? Incredibly competitive football games. So competitive that they draw in the emotions of millions of fans willing to pay tons of money to attend those games, watch them on TV, buy concessions, buy jerseys, etc. etc.

But as soon as the competitiveness of the very product they're selling is compromised, you're talking about risking the Golden Goose.

The time and money spent on the Wells report pales in comparison to protecting the immense revenue stream their competitive games generate.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah. You're an idiot.

What does the NFL sell? Incredibly competitive football games. So competitive that they draw in the emotions of millions of fans willing to pay tons of money to attend those games, watch them on TV, buy concessions, buy jerseys, etc. etc.

But as soon as the competitiveness of the very product they're selling is compromised, you're talking about risking the Golden Goose.

The time and money spent on the Wells report pales in comparison to protecting the immense revenue stream their competitive games generate.

He isn't an idiot. The 1.2psi had zero impact on the outcome of that game.

If competition is the rationale, the league should have punished the Colts for playing terrible.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

He isn't an idiot. The 1.2psi had zero impact on the outcome of that game.

If competition is the rationale, the league should have punished the Colts for playing terrible.

The punishment is not so much about the 1.2psi. It is about not cooperating with a serious NFL investigation on a team that has cheated and been caught before. Why did Brady not give up his texts? Why did the Patriots not make the ball guy available one more time after the investigation had discovered new evidence and wanted to ask him about it?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

The punishment is not so much about the 1.2psi. It is about not cooperating with a serious NFL investigation on a team that has cheated and been caught before. Why did Brady not give up his texts? Why did the Patriots not make the ball guy available one more time after the investigation had discovered new evidence and wanted to ask him about it?

I would guess because there were incriminating as hell.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I would guess because there were incriminating as hell.

Bingo.
Brady made the personal choice not turn over his texts, knowing full well the risk of getting fined, suspended and his team getting fined and losing incredibly valuable draft picks. Rather than turning over the texts and (option 1) possibly getting exonerated. Or (option 2) turning over the texts, been found guilty, accepted the blame and taken full responsibility.
So now that Brady made the personal decision not to turn over possible incriminating texts then take the next logical step: he lied to the fans, his coach, his owner, the league, the commissioner and to most importantly the investigation. Obstruction of justice is a crime not just in the NFL but everywhere in this country.
This is no longer about 1.2psi.
It is about a team that has been caught TWICE breaking the rules and now not cooperating with an impartial investigation.

[Darrell_Green_28]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

He isn't an idiot. The 1.2psi had zero impact on the outcome of that game.

If competition is the rationale, the league should have punished the Colts for playing terrible.

That's like saying, Yeah I ran the red light/stop sign, but I didn't cause an accident. Why should I get a ticket?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Darrell_Green_28

That's like saying, Yeah I ran the red light/stop sign, but I didn't cause an accident. Why should I get a ticket?

Ummm no it's not. It's like saying I shouldn't spend the next year in jail for running the light.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah. You're an idiot.

What does the NFL sell? Incredibly competitive football games. So competitive that they draw in the emotions of millions of fans willing to pay tons of money to attend those games, watch them on TV, buy concessions, buy jerseys, etc. etc.

But as soon as the competitiveness of the very product they're selling is compromised, you're talking about risking the Golden Goose.

The time and money spent on the Wells report pales in comparison to protecting the immense revenue stream their competitive games generate.

Brilliant! Could not have said it better myself.
The integrity of the game is more important to a $9 Billion a year league than the cost of a thorough investigation. The NFL pays their commissioner $32 million a year. So what. What the fuck does the cost of the investigation have to do with this?
There is video evidence that the game balls were illegally taken into a bathroom stall and tampered with after the refs checked them. There are text messages that Brady refused to release to the investigation. I wonder why?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Brilliant! Could not have said it better myself.
The integrity of the game is more important to a $9 Billion a year league than the cost of a thorough investigation. The NFL pays their commissioner $32 million a year. So what. What the fuck does the cost of the investigation have to do with this?
There is video evidence that the game balls were illegally taken into a bathroom stall and tampered with after the refs checked them. There are text messages that Brady refused to release to the investigation. I wonder why?

Integrity?

Couldn't help but chuckle a little.

We're talking about the league that facilitates prescription drug proliferation and addiction?

The league that went to the ends of the earth to cover up concussion related information until they couldn't?

The league whose officials were caught on the Dallas Cowboy party bus with a bunch of future Hooters' waitresses?

The league who didn't realize knocking a woman out cold was really bad until the news media told them it was after they botched the punishment?

The league who knows Jerry Jones is talking to other teams' running backs and determines the tampering rules don't apply to the Cowboys?

The league who creates a "Commissioner's exempt list" out of thin air?

The league who penalized the Redskins 30+ million dollars for violating cap rules that didn't exist?

This league does whatever it wants with no consistency.

Every team breaks rules and most of those violations end exactly like the post above says, with a phone call that says we know what you're doing, quit.

Brady's punishment is a farce. Zero impact on the competitiveness of that game.

Intentionally roughing the passer has more of an impact on the outcomes of games than deflating a ball 1.2 psi. Suspend those guys. They are intentionally breaking a rule that impacts the competitiveness of the game.

[NC_Skins]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-br...164330925.html


Sales merchandised doubled. Yeah....Bob Kraft isn't hurting too much out of all this. He's made millions off this whole fiasco.

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Integrity?

Couldn't help but chuckle a little.

We're talking about the league that facilitates prescription drug proliferation and addiction?

The league that went to the ends of the earth to cover up concussion related information until they couldn't?

The league whose officials were caught on the Dallas Cowboy party bus with a bunch of future Hooters' waitresses?

The league who didn't realize knocking a woman out cold was really bad until the news media told them it was after they botched the punishment?

The league who knows Jerry Jones is talking to other teams' running backs and determines the tampering rules don't apply to the Cowboys?

The league who creates a "Commissioner's exempt list" out of thin air?

The league who penalized the Redskins 30+ million dollars for violating cap rules that didn't exist?

This league does whatever it wants with no consistency.

Every team breaks rules and most of those violations end exactly like the post above says, with a phone call that says we know what you're doing, quit.

Brady's punishment is a farce. Zero impact on the competitiveness of that game.

Intentionally roughing the passer has more of an impact on the outcomes of games than deflating a ball 1.2 psi. Suspend those guys. They are intentionally breaking a rule that impacts the competitiveness of the game.

I think you are confusing examples of "integrity of the game" with morality aspects. The NFL could care less if some 50 year old NFL vet offs himself due to lasting brain damage. It doesn't affect the game. Them not giving a shit is definitely a humanitarian/morality issue. Them not caring about domestic abuse doesn't affect the integrity of the game, it affects their image, which in turns affects their sponsors. Social issues don't affect the game, only their image.

When we talk about affecting the "integrity of the game", what we really mean is affecting the "outcome of the game". This is the point to which Joe/Schneed are talking about. What can affect the integrity(outcome) of the game is cheating. Video taping defensive hand signals, using stickem on their hands, pumping in fake crowd noise, deflating balls. This doesn't mean any of these actions WILL affect the outcome (integrity), just that it could. Even allowing the potential of these game changers could affect the public's perception (and value) of the game. That means more than anything in the grand scheme of it.

Also, I personally don't believe the Patriots (and Brady) were hammered the way they were merely over deflating balls or the integrity of the game. This was a cumulative punishment that took into the account their previous cheating history, the lying and refusal to cooperate, and lastly the actual act of deflating the balls. The bigger factors were their lying/cover up and past history.

[NC_Skins]

@NEPD_Loyko

Brady has hired Jeffery Kessler according to @AdamSchefter .. he is a pain in the ass. Was the biggest hurdle in the way of NBA/NFL CBAs



@Mike_Dyer13

Schefter on Sportscenter just said he got a text from a source today: "Brady's (legal) team is unreal. My prediction..he won't miss a game"





I think Brady's suspension will probably drop to 1-2 games.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-br...164330925.html


Sales merchandised doubled. Yeah....Bob Kraft isn't hurting too much out of all this. He's made millions off this whole fiasco.




I think you are confusing examples of "integrity of the game" with morality aspects. The NFL could care less if some 50 year old NFL vet offs himself due to lasting brain damage. It doesn't affect the game. Them not giving a shit is definitely a humanitarian/morality issue. Them not caring about domestic abuse doesn't affect the integrity of the game, it affects their image, which in turns affects their sponsors. Social issues don't affect the game, only their image.

When we talk about affecting the "integrity of the game", what we really mean is affecting the "outcome of the game". This is the point to which Joe/Schneed are talking about. What can affect the integrity(outcome) of the game is cheating. Video taping defensive hand signals, using stickem on their hands, pumping in fake crowd noise, deflating balls. This doesn't mean any of these actions WILL affect the outcome (integrity), just that it could. Even allowing the potential of these game changers could affect the public's perception (and value) of the game. That means more than anything in the grand scheme of it.

Also, I personally don't believe the Patriots (and Brady) were hammered the way they were merely over deflating balls or the integrity of the game. This was a cumulative punishment that took into the account their previous cheating history, the lying and refusal to cooperate, and lastly the actual act of deflating the balls. The bigger factors were their lying/cover up and past history.

You left out all the other instances that do affect the actual integrity of the game I mentioned in the post.

I bet Detroit fans would agree that referees partying with the Cowboys is probably a bad thing.

They treated Tom Brady differently because they wanted to.

What was Tom Brady's cheating history? Should they suspend Aaron Rodgers? Should they suspend the people from Minnesota?

Should they suspend any player who intentionally violates a rule that affects the integrity of the game or just this one?

If a safety comes across the middle and kills the other teams number 1 with a head shot on the first drive, does that affect the offensive teams competitiveness the rest of the game? Hell yea it does. Was it against the rules? Hell yea it is. It is an intentional violation of the rule that will detrimentally affect the offensive team's ability to use their number 1 receiver.

A headshot violates a rule just like deflating balls 1.2 psi. Is the post game interview a cover up when the safety says with a grin it was a football play I didn't intentionally rivet his ear hole with the crown of my helmet.

What makes this rule different than any other rule?

There are so many rules violations every week that affect the competitiveness of games. Blandino holds Minnesota's hand but they suspend Brady 4 games for the same violation.

Has the league asked to see Rodgers' phone yet?

Has the league called Tim Hasselbeck in to see which of his teams were feeding him the defensive plays through his headset since he announced it on national television? There is a darn good chance those individuals are still in the league.

Integrity and consistency mean nothing to that overpaid buffoon of a commissioner.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

They treated Tom Brady differently because they wanted to.

What was Tom Brady's cheating history? Should they suspend Aaron Rodgers? Should they suspend the people from Minnesota?

No they didn't. Tom fucked himself by lying and refusing to cooperate. THAT is what got Tom his 4 game suspension, not the deflating balls. Had he told the truth and cooperated, at the least he's looking at a small fine and at the absolute worst it may have been a 1 game suspension.

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Should they suspend any player who intentionally violates a rule that affects the integrity of the game or just this one?

They normally do if the situation calls for it. Breaking a rule within the game is one thing, manipulating situations to favor you during games is something completely different.

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

If a safety comes across the middle and kills the other teams number 1 with a head shot on the first drive, does that affect the offensive teams competitiveness the rest of the game? Hell yea it does. Was it against the rules? Hell yea it is. It is an intentional violation of the rule that will detrimentally affect the offensive team's ability to use their number 1 receiver.

So you consider manipulating air pressure in balls (not a normal game act and outside the game) to a hard hit (within the game) the same? It's not the same. Breaking a rule during the game is one thing and they are punished according. Those same guys that continue to hit hard also see fines increase and finally see suspensions. Did you not see many of the suspensions last year due to continued pattern of illegal hits? I believe our safety was one of them.

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

What makes this rule different than any other rule?

One is during the course of the game and is penalized via flags/yards and possible ejection depending on the action. The other is manipulating events or situations outside of the course of the game that could possibly affect a future game. They are totally different and not sure why I even need to explain that.

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

There are so many rules violations every week that affect the competitiveness of games. Blandino holds Minnesota's hand but they suspend Brady 4 games for the same violation.

It wasn't the same situation and I dont' recall Minnesota outright lying to the commissioner or refusing to cooperate.

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Has the league asked to see Rodgers' phone yet?

When somebody turns in the Packers for deflating balls, I imagine he will be under investigation. I think Rodgers was just saying it was a common thing, which is why I believe the original punishment would have been a simple fine and slap on the wrist. However, Tom and the Patriots decided to play the "fuck you and your investigation" card and they paid dearly for it.




You are going off on a wild tangent to say the least and somehow you think the league has it out for Brady. If anything, the league has done nothing BUT protect Brady. Tuck rule ring a bell? The mere fact they changed the rules about defenders lunging at knees after Brady gets an ACL tear, yet didn't do shit when it happened to Carson Palmer? Puhhhhlease.....stop making Brady out to be some god damn victim.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

You left out all the other instances that do affect the actual integrity of the game I mentioned in the post.

I bet Detroit fans would agree that referees partying with the Cowboys is probably a bad thing.

They treated Tom Brady differently because they wanted to.

What was Tom Brady's cheating history? Should they suspend Aaron Rodgers? Should they suspend the people from Minnesota?

Should they suspend any player who intentionally violates a rule that affects the integrity of the game or just this one?

If a safety comes across the middle and kills the other teams number 1 with a head shot on the first drive, does that affect the offensive teams competitiveness the rest of the game? Hell yea it does. Was it against the rules? Hell yea it is. It is an intentional violation of the rule that will detrimentally affect the offensive team's ability to use their number 1 receiver.

A headshot violates a rule just like deflating balls 1.2 psi. Is the post game interview a cover up when the safety says with a grin it was a football play I didn't intentionally rivet his ear hole with the crown of my helmet.

What makes this rule different than any other rule?

There are so many rules violations every week that affect the competitiveness of games. Blandino holds Minnesota's hand but they suspend Brady 4 games for the same violation.

Has the league asked to see Rodgers' phone yet?

Has the league called Tim Hasselbeck in to see which of his teams were feeding him the defensive plays through his headset since he announced it on national television? There is a darn good chance those individuals are still in the league.

Integrity and consistency mean nothing to that overpaid buffoon of a commissioner.

What did aaron rodgers do?