Next years QB

[Hog1]

I'm looking for .............this guy
Relive the Play "Electrifying"

[scowan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I'm looking for .............this guy
Relive the Play "Electrifying"

Here is my question for all of you. How are the Redskins any different from any other team if we don't run the Read-Option some? They can try to make RGIII a pocket QB like Andy Dalton is, (Jay Gruden as OC) and we all saw that Andy was successful to a point, but the thing that made this team successful in the past (2012) was the Read-Option. If RGIII is going to become a pocket passer to fit Jay's scheme, then we have the wrong QB for the job. Yes Robert has a bigger arm than Kirk or Colt, but he is going to have to improve his decision making enormously for this team to take the next step.

They don't want him to be "Electrifying" anymore they want him to be Andy Dalton.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by scowan

Here is my question for all of you. How are the Redskins any different from any other team if we don't run the Read-Option some? They can try to make RGIII a pocket QB like Andy Dalton is, (Jay Gruden as OC) and we all saw that Andy was successful to a point, but the thing that made this team successful in the past (2012) was the Read-Option. If RGIII is going to become a pocket passer to fit Jay's scheme, then we have the wrong QB for the job. Yes Robert has a bigger arm than Kirk or Colt, but he is going to have to improve his decision making enormously for this team to take the next step.

They don't want him to be "Electrifying" anymore they want him to be Andy Dalton.

The bolded part is where your thinking and my thinking diverge. You seem to be at the point where you've concluded that he can't be a pocket passer. Based on last year, particularly the Tampa game, I can't argue. But given his contract situation we have this year to decide whether he can progress enough to make the option year salary worthwhile.

So while I don't like his progress to date at all, I'm not going to conclude that he can't be a pocket passer because the contract situation dictates that I don't have to decide that yet.

That and we don't have a better QB on the roster.

I would continue with the pocket development and let him use the athleticism to scramble. I'd avoid too many designed runs, busting those out only when the game is in do or die mode (that's what the Seahawks do). Definitely supportive of the offensive gameplan as Jay describes it currently.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by scowan

Here is my question for all of you. How are the Redskins any different from any other team if we don't run the Read-Option some? ........
They don't want him to be "Electrifying" anymore they want him to be Andy Dalton.

Good question.

If the read-option isn't more then a sprinkle then I agree with you that the offense won't be much different then the Bengals or any other west coast based offense.

Personally I think Griffin's arm talent/passing talent is superior to Dalton. I think IF and admittedly its a big IF but IF the Jay-Griffin marriage works I think Griffin can put up better passing numbers then Dalton.

But, I would rather have a Seattle type offense then a Jay Gruden Bengals style offense.

[scowan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

But, I would rather have a Seattle type offense then a Jay Gruden Bengals style offense.

I would also rather have the Seattle Offense, I think we have the QB and RB for it, AND better receivers than Seattle, but Russell Wilson knows how to not get hurt but Robert Griffin can't seem to figure that out for some reason. I guess what I'm getting at is that turning RG3 into another maybe better Andy Dalton does not play to RG3's strengths.

I loved how the Shananhans built an offense for Griffin to play to his strengths and it would have been great to continue it, but he doesn't know how to not get hurt and he takes too many chances and/or hits. So now we are left with Jay trying to re-invent RG3 into a pocket passer. Probably won't work but maybe they will prove me wrong. I sure hope so.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by scowan

.....I guess what I'm getting at is that turning RG3 into another maybe better Andy Dalton does not play to RG3's strengths.

I agree with your overarching point about how Griffin fits in Jay's offense. But for me the issue isn't about playing to Griffin strengths the issue is that Jay's offense even at an optimal level isn't as good as Bevel's and having Griffin and Alfred and our receivers makes our offense potentially even better then Seattle's; which is very good.

I loved how the Shananhans built an offense for Griffin to play to his strengths and it would have been great to continue it, but he doesn't know how to not get hurt and he takes too many chances and/or hits. So now we are left with Jay trying to re-invent RG3 into a pocket passer. Probably won't work but maybe they will prove me wrong. I sure hope so.

I liked the Shanahan offense to an extent it was great in year one but didn't progress/expand in year 2. I think the ideal offense for Griffin is a more Baylor style offense like Chip Kelly which uses spread+zone read as opposed to base personnel pistol read-option.
In the Chip Kelly or even Seattle zone-read offenses the QB is better able to protect themselves when running which would help protect Griffin who remains a straight line runner more then a shifty/aware runner.

I don't get caught up in the whole 're-inventing Griffin as a pocket passer narrative' historically if you isolate Griffin's non-playaction passing attempts he's always rated higher then Kirk Cousins. So I don't believe Griffin's problems as a QB aren't due to inability as a "pocket passer" but more about his knowledge and comfort in Jay's offense and I put that as much on coaching as the player. Griffin's struggles last year are a joint failing in which the HC/OC/QB coach are also culpable.