Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

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I didnt mention any names. Lol

[NC_Skins]

This is a great breakdown between Kirk and Robert. Both have the same play ran with basically the same defense. See how one reacts and the other does.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This is a great breakdown between Kirk and Robert. Both have the same play ran with basically the same defense. See how one reacts and the other does.

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The part of this that rings truest to me is that even the passes RG3 thrived on in 2012 he struggles with now. It just seems like something intangible got lost somewhere after his injury and now.

I just can't picture a scenario where he gets it back.

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[Bucket]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This is a great breakdown between Kirk and Robert. Both have the same play ran with basically the same defense. See how one reacts and the other does.

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That's a bad angle but what you don't see is Ryan Grant ran his route 2 yards short with RG3 at QB. Doesn't seem like a big deal but he would of been easily open and seen on the second level if he would of ran it right.

Not making excuses for RG3 though. He's thrown that 9 route million times on the money in his career. He could of still made a throw there. He went through the reads and hit his 3rd option though so there is that.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Bucket

That's a bad angle but what you don't see is Ryan Grant ran his route 2 yards short with RG3 at QB. Doesn't seem like a big deal but he would of been easily open and seen on the second level if he would of ran it right.

Not making excuses for RG3 though. He's thrown that 9 route million times on the money in his career. He could of still made a throw there. He went through the reads and hit his 3rd option though so there is that.

This is a play that every NFL team runs. Also that's just a short post. In one frame you can see KC clearly about to throw the ball just before Roberts makes his break. Griffin needs Grant to break open before he throws the ball. Just cut it loose with some anticipation and trust your wr.

This play really has nothing to do with 1st or 2nd team stuff. It's NFL QB 101. He ran this play or route a lot as a rookie but wasn't turning his back on the play action. He was making the fake off the pistol.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Bucket

That's a bad angle but what you don't see is Ryan Grant ran his route 2 yards short with RG3 at QB. Doesn't seem like a big deal but he would of been easily open and seen on the second level if he would of ran it right.

Not making excuses for RG3 though. He's thrown that 9 route million times on the money in his career. He could of still made a throw there. He went through the reads and hit his 3rd option though so there is that.

And as the article points out, it's fine and dandy that he still completed a pass, but he could have had a first down and instead put the Offense in yet another 3rd and long situation. The primary read was as open as you can ask for in the NFL.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

And as the article points out, it's fine and dandy that he still completed a pass, but he could have had a first down and instead put the Offense in yet another 3rd and long situation. The primary read was as open as you can ask for in the NFL.

Its actually not fine and dandy and the article is wrong for saying that. For example..

If read 1 is your primary after the play action. Although read 1 cuts the route short before play action was initiated.

What this does is allows the DB react to the route I which the throw would of been "late".

This is why when QBS throw INT or give up sacks etc. It's important to know that it's more of a team effort.

Not defending RG3 because he's obviously flawed but the article is incorrect if it's saying it's ok that the route was short.

Edit: Just noticed the article say it's ok because he still completed the pass. Not that the route was short

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This is a great breakdown between Kirk and Robert. Both have the same play ran with basically the same defense. See how one reacts and the other does.

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Excellent breakdown!

The points made made in this article, and the points made in a few other article posted, about RG3 not moving around in the pocket enough, all go back to what I, and others have said...

It looks like RG3 has lost his confidence.

Basically, it seems that RG3 "thinks too much" when he takes the snap and drops back.

My opinion, as to why he gets sacked so much is...

1. He focuses too much on the primary target, and the secondary targets,down field.

He doesn't seem to be aware of what is going on around him. Which is one of the reasons that he doesn't seem to move to the left or right to avoid the rush.

2. As the linked article points out, he doesn't seem to have enough faith in the offensive plays to stick with the play as-called, and is too ready to 'check-down'. Also RG3 seems to have lost faith in his ability to 'thread-the-needle'

So, IMHO, it seems that the problems that RG3 has are mostly confidence related.

Unfortunately, I have seen that kind of thing before, with players like David Woodley, Derrick Carr, ect.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by kct1975

Excellent breakdown!

The points made made in this article, and the points made in a few other article posted, about RG3 not moving around in the pocket enough, all go back to what I, and others have said...

It looks like RG3 has lost his confidence.

Basically, it seems that RG3 "thinks too much" when he takes the snap and drops back.

My opinion, as to why he gets sacked so much is...

1. He focuses too much on the primary target, and the secondary targets,down field.

He doesn't seem to be aware of what is going on around him. Which is one of the reasons that he doesn't seem to move to the left or right to avoid the rush.

2. As the linked article points out, he doesn't seem to have enough faith in the offensive plays to stick with the play as-called, and is too ready to 'check-down'. Also RG3 seems to have lost faith in his ability to 'thread-the-needle'

So, IMHO, it seems that the problems that RG3 has are mostly confidence related.

Unfortunately, I have seen that kind of thing before, with players like David Woodley, Derrick Carr, ect.

I think you mean David Carr,although Derrick might get there soon enough

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I think you mean David Carr,although Derrick might get there soon enough

Yup...I did mean David Carr....although you are right about Derrick Carr

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by kct1975

Excellent breakdown!

The points made made in this article, and the points made in a few other article posted, about RG3 not moving around in the pocket enough, all go back to what I, and others have said...

It looks like RG3 has lost his confidence.

Basically, it seems that RG3 "thinks too much" when he takes the snap and drops back.

My opinion, as to why he gets sacked so much is...

1. He focuses too much on the primary target, and the secondary targets,down field.

He doesn't seem to be aware of what is going on around him. Which is one of the reasons that he doesn't seem to move to the left or right to avoid the rush.

2. As the linked article points out, he doesn't seem to have enough faith in the offensive plays to stick with the play as-called, and is too ready to 'check-down'. Also RG3 seems to have lost faith in his ability to 'thread-the-needle'

So, IMHO, it seems that the problems that RG3 has are mostly confidence related.

Unfortunately, I have seen that kind of thing before, with players like David Woodley, Derrick Carr, ect.

And it's been widely reported that he often calls the wrong protection at the line. He doesn't appear to have much pre-snap recognition either, which forces him to be too reactionary. Doesn't seem to anticipate who is likely to be open on a given play or where to expect pressure.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

And it's been widely reported that he often calls the wrong protection at the line. He doesn't appear to have much pre-snap recognition either, which forces him to be too reactionary. Doesn't seem to anticipate who is likely to be open on a given play or where to expect pressure.

Cooley was talking about the protection call today in the context of assigning blame.

Smith got savaged in the media the day after the game for his play. It was not good, but if you listened to the film breakdown the other day, Cooley said it wasn't as bad as the knee jerk columnists made it out to be. Hopefully, if TW gets dinged somebody else will be the sub.

He said that every player in the locker room knows how everyone else is playing, good or bad. They also know that Griffin blew the protection call. The quickest way to lose the locker room, if it hasn't happened with the coddling already, is to let a guy get blamed for something that wasn't his fault in such a public way.

The audio link isn't up on epsn 980 yet because it wasn't a special segment. The discussion is a very interesting listen and makes sense anyway you think about; from a player's perspective or just human nature.

They also discussed the pros and cons of cutting Griffin now before the season started. The way to sell it being it is in Griffin's best interest to get a fresh start.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by kct1975

Excellent breakdown!

The points made made in this article, and the points made in a few other article posted, about RG3 not moving around in the pocket enough, all go back to what I, and others have said...

It looks like RG3 has lost his confidence.

Basically, it seems that RG3 "thinks too much" when he takes the snap and drops back.

My opinion, as to why he gets sacked so much is...

1. He focuses too much on the primary target, and the secondary targets,down field.

He doesn't seem to be aware of what is going on around him. Which is one of the reasons that he doesn't seem to move to the left or right to avoid the rush.

2. As the linked article points out, he doesn't seem to have enough faith in the offensive plays to stick with the play as-called, and is too ready to 'check-down'. Also RG3 seems to have lost faith in his ability to 'thread-the-needle'

So, IMHO, it seems that the problems that RG3 has are mostly confidence related.

Unfortunately, I have seen that kind of thing before, with players like David Woodley, Derrick Carr, ect.

I'm not disagreeing about performance, but these two thoughts on the reason for his struggles seems to be contradictory.

He only looks downfield at primary receivers, but he checks down too much?

It seems to me, that would be like saying: He stays in the pocket too long when he should scramble, but gives up on the play and runs too often.

I don't know, maybe it's all of the above at different times, but these seem like symtoms and not diagnosees. Which I think would support your confidence theory.

But, IMO, I think the O-line is the root cause. How can he improve if he is being trounced constantly? I have always felt it was a mistake to invest in QB when our line sucked so much.

So at this point, even if he is hopeless, why move on and risk the next franchise QB being 'ruined' by piss poor pass protection?

[kingj]

All Griffin criticism aside, my biggest fear is chip Kelly picks him up. IMO, Kelly could get 2012 RGIII back in that system.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by kingj

All Griffin criticism aside, my biggest fear is chip Kelly picks him up. IMO, Kelly could get 2012 RGIII back in that system.

Kelly would end up getting Griffin killed.

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