Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[Flyer97]

The saga just might end on opening day if Suh and co want to come out like gangbusters and prove a point, sending a message to New England, etc.

[rickmmrr]

I think at this point a lot of us are beating a dead horse, I know for me the only reason I can't seem to put this to rest is because I can't wrap my head around the loyalty that the organization is giving RGIII. I could understand it if it was someone like John Elway that had taken the team to numerous SBs and won it and he's in is last days and he's starting to stink it up but you stick with him because he meant so much to the franchise.

Also what is the potential of RGIII that is so much more then the other two QBs. I could understand it if we were right at the end of 2012. But we have had 2 years of complete stink it up. I just don't get it. At this point the only thing that RGIII can do better than the other GBs is throw the ball further. That's not enough.

Plus the complete double standard. You can't say over and over again, we want to evaluate all the players and put the best 53 men out there, except when it comes to RGIII.

I hope he either plays really well and gives me a reason to root for him, or he totally stinks it up. My worst fear is that he plays medium to poor and I have to suffer through another year of this.

[30gut]

Should McCoy's relationship with Cooley and Paulsen be considered a leak?

[30gut]

Kurt Warner
"There were some things that I saw on tape where you could easily say if Robert maybe went to the other side on a couple of those reads, he could have got the ball out a little bit quicker,” Warner told old friend Dan Hellie on NFL Network. “But I think we have to be honest when we look at the tape, and say this wasn’t RGIII’s fault, for the most part. He wasn’t back there holding onto the ball, hitching, looking both directions. He was back there, he was dropping, he was trying to get the ball out of his hands, and his offensive line really, really struggled [Thursday] night."


PFF:
For the Washington Redskins to be successful this season, they are going to need to give Robert Griffin III time in the pocket. That wasn’t the case versus the Detroit Lions on Thursday night.

— Pressured on six of his eight dropbacks, Robert Griffin III’s three incompletions came about by way of a dropped pass, a batted pass and being hit as he threw. His supporting cast ensured that aside from ball security (two fumbles — the primary reasons behind his -3.8 grade), there was little or nothing to draw from his performance.


Jay Gruden:

So far with Robert, unfortunately, as play callers we’ve done a poor job of getting our team into a rhythm. We haven’t got a first down and then followed up with a nice bootleg or something like that. We’ve just been first down, second down, third down, punt, it seems like it was against Detroit. It’s very necessary for us to try to get our offense moving positively a little bit to get us in a rhythm, we just haven’t been able to do that. Defense, give them a lot of credit. Detroit played great defense, pass rush. They stopped the run, made it very difficult on us. They were No. 2 ranked in the league last year for a reason. But we do have to compete a lot better than that with our ones.


I'm going to blame our local media for turning ~8 drop backs in a preseason game into referendum.

We're talking about a pre-season game where our 1st unit offense played the #2 ranked defense with a 3rd string LT and with an OT at TE. Where our QB, who to be sure made mistakes, but played under duress.

[NC_Skins]

It's already a full blown circus at Redskins park and we're only at pre-season game #3.


‏@granthpaulsen

Timeline: In-game Redskins broadcast network says RG3 did not have concussion. HC says he did. One week later, Griffin says he doesn't know.


@P_Hazard

If Gruden said he had one to keep him from media, while wrong, Griffin not confirming for company line essentially throws Gruden under bus



@MikeJonesWaPo

So, Griffin isn't sure if/when he suffered a concussion. Asked if he thought he should've played fourth series, "I just work here, man."



So tired of the drama. At this point, I just want Robert to go away.


Even Joey T. thinks that it's time for Robert to shut up. I especially liked what Cooley had to say....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-to-be-quiet/

Meanwhile, ESPN 980’s Chris Cooley added a possibly related although quite different suggestion: that Griffin needs to speak up more, in the sense of absolving his teammates from some of the blame they took after the Lions game last week.

“If I ran a post route and the quarterback threw a corner route and it was picked, and everyone in the media said, Cooley ran the wrong route, Cooley ran the wrong route, and then the quarterback didn’t step up and say anything for me, we’ve got problems, man,” Cooley said. “This happens more times than people understand, but this clearly happened in this last week with Willie Smith and the offensive line at times. …

“There’s enough people on this team that want to say, ‘Man, this isn’t the offensive line.’ But if you can’t address it as a man and say, ‘I messed this up, it’s not my guys, it’s not my teammates, I’m a leader of the team and I’m going to take this because it was mine in the first place.’ ”

Bottom line. Robert isn't taking responsibility like he should. I have to imagine the respect level is very low for him in the locker room.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's already a full blown circus at Redskins park and we're only at pre-season game #3.


‏@granthpaulsen

Timeline: In-game Redskins broadcast network says RG3 did not have concussion. HC says he did. One week later, Griffin says he doesn't know.


@P_Hazard

If Gruden said he had one to keep him from media, while wrong, Griffin not confirming for company line essentially throws Gruden under bus



@MikeJonesWaPo

So, Griffin isn't sure if/when he suffered a concussion. Asked if he thought he should've played fourth series, "I just work here, man."



So tired of the drama. At this point, I just want Robert to go away.


Even Joey T. thinks that it's time for Robert to shut up. I especially liked what Cooley had to say....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-to-be-quiet/





Bottom line. Robert isn't taking responsibility like he should. I have to imagine the respect level is very low for him in the locker room.

LOL dude. You're constantly bitching about everything Griffin says and does off the field. When are you going to figure out that this stuff doesn't matter? Because it doesn't. Simple as that. The media takes everything he says and twists it and puts it in the worst light possible. Players around the league say plenty of stuff that should be considered far worse than what he says, but for obvious reasons Griffin gets a far bigger reaction and more clicks. Repeat after me, this stuff doesn't matter. His teammates and coaches know who he is as a person, they don't give a sh*t how the media portrays him. The football side of Griffin is all you should be concerned about.

Speaking of that, I just watched the Detroit game for the first time and am mystified why everyone is sh*tting on Griffin. He was absolutely not as bad as what everyone said. Taking his full body of preseason work into account, I think he definitely looks better than last year, but of course you can't really tell that until the regular season.

Also, another thing that's been bugging me is why everyone acts like Cousins is so much better than Griffin. Have you all forgot 2012 and 2013? Last year was the first time you could say Cousins had play equal to Griffin's, and half his games were destroyed by interceptions. Cousins looks good at times, and if we end up letting Griffin go I hope we hang onto Cousins, but the negative overreaction to Griffin's game has led to an overreaction of positivity towards Cousins' game.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

LOL dude. You're constantly bitching about everything Griffin says and does off the field. When are you going to figure out that this stuff doesn't matter? Because it doesn't. Simple as that. The media takes everything he says and twists it and puts it in the worst light possible. Players around the league say plenty of stuff that should be considered far worse than what he says, but for obvious reasons Griffin gets a far bigger reaction and more clicks. Repeat after me, this stuff doesn't matter. His teammates and coaches know who he is as a person, they don't give a sh*t how the media portrays him. The football side of Griffin is all you should be concerned about.

Speaking of that, I just watched the Detroit game for the first time and am mystified why everyone is sh*tting on Griffin. He was absolutely not as bad as what everyone said. Taking his full body of preseason work into account, I think he definitely looks better than last year, but of course you can't really tell that until the regular season.

Also, another thing that's been bugging me is why everyone acts like Cousins is so much better than Griffin. Have you all forgot 2012 and 2013? Last year was the first time you could say Cousins had play equal to Griffin's, and half his games were destroyed by interceptions. Cousins looks good at times, and if we end up letting Griffin go I hope we hang onto Cousins, but the negative overreaction to Griffin's game has led to an overreaction of positivity towards Cousins' game.

To all the posters that keep reminding us of Kirk's play last yr must have forgotten what RG3' play was.This was posted a couple days ago

"You can argue that the preseason is too small a sample size to draw any conclusions, and that Griffin is playing against better defensive players than Cousins and McCoy are. But Griffin’s sub-par performance goes beyond just this year’s preseason. Last year Griffin started seven games, Cousins started five and McCoy started four. Washington wasn’t a particularly good team no matter who was starting, but according to ESPN’s QBR system, which combines both statistics and film study into one number on a 0-100 scale, Griffin was easily the worst of the three. McCoy had a 46.9 QBR, Cousins had a 46.5 QBR and Griffin had a 33.5 QBR. The Football Outsiders DVOA system, which uses play-by-play data to assess quarterbacks, similarly had Griffin as by far the worst of Washington’s three quarterbacks."

So Griff was by far the worst,so please please quit bringing up how bad Kirk played,the guys had 8 or 9 starts.We're not saying{or at least most of us}is gonna be a franchise qb,but he hasnt been given much of a chance yet and he's better than Griff.
As far as the last game,it's not an over reaction,its a 2yr cumulation of the same old shit

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

To all the posters that keep reminding us of Kirk's play last yr must have forgotten what RG3' play was.This was posted a couple days ago

"You can argue that the preseason is too small a sample size to draw any conclusions, and that Griffin is playing against better defensive players than Cousins and McCoy are. But Griffin’s sub-par performance goes beyond just this year’s preseason. Last year Griffin started seven games, Cousins started five and McCoy started four. Washington wasn’t a particularly good team no matter who was starting, but according to ESPN’s QBR system, which combines both statistics and film study into one number on a 0-100 scale, Griffin was easily the worst of the three. McCoy had a 46.9 QBR, Cousins had a 46.5 QBR and Griffin had a 33.5 QBR. The Football Outsiders DVOA system, which uses play-by-play data to assess quarterbacks, similarly had Griffin as by far the worst of Washington’s three quarterbacks."

So Griff was by far the worst,so please please quit bringing up how bad Kirk played,the guys had 8 or 9 starts.We're not saying{or at least most of us}is gonna be a franchise qb,but he hasnt been given much of a chance yet and he's better than Griff.
As far as the last game,it's not an over reaction,its a 2yr cumulation of the same old shit

This is funny if you want to compare preseason QB stats then look at Joe Flaco's stats. They look identical to RG3's stats. But coaching in B-More aren't shitting the bed about it. Preseason is nothing anymore but trying to stay healthy. As you can see the Redskins can't even when that game of staying healthy.

[skins89moss]

[QUOTE=SirLK26;1117772]LOL dude. You're constantly bitching about everything Griffin says and does off the field. When are you going to figure out that this stuff doesn't matter? Because it doesn't. Simple as that. The media takes everything he says and twists it and puts it in the worst light possible. Players around the league say plenty of stuff that should be considered far worse than what he says, but for obvious reasons Griffin gets a far bigger reaction and more clicks. Repeat after me, this stuff doesn't matter. His teammates and coaches know who he is as a person, they don't give a sh*t how the media portrays him. The football side of Griffin is all you should be concerned about.

Speaking of that, I just watched the Detroit game for the first time and am mystified why everyone is sh*tting on Griffin. He was absolutely not as bad as what everyone said. Taking his full body of preseason work into account, I think he definitely looks better than last year, but of course you can't really tell that until the regular season.

Also, another thing that's been bugging me is why everyone acts like Cousins is so much better than Griffin. Have you all forgot 2012 and 2013? Last year was the first time you could say Cousins had play equal to Griffin's, and half his games were destroyed by interceptions. Cousins looks good at times, and if we end up letting Griffin go I hope we hang onto Cousins, but the negative overreaction to Griffin's game has led to an overreaction of positivity towards Cousins' game.[/QUOT

I have to agree with your comments. People in DC always love the backup QB until he plays and he shits the bed.

[WillH]

[/QUOTE]I have to agree with your comments. People in DC always love the backup QB until he plays and he shits the bed.[/QUOTE]

I was at the game chanting "Gus Gus Gus" when Heath Shuler was benched. A few bad seasons and a self imposed concussion later . . .

[irish]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Kurt Warner
"There were some things that I saw on tape where you could easily say if Robert maybe went to the other side on a couple of those reads, he could have got the ball out a little bit quicker,” Warner told old friend Dan Hellie on NFL Network. “But I think we have to be honest when we look at the tape, and say this wasn’t RGIII’s fault, for the most part. He wasn’t back there holding onto the ball, hitching, looking both directions. He was back there, he was dropping, he was trying to get the ball out of his hands, and his offensive line really, really struggled [Thursday] night."


PFF:
For the Washington Redskins to be successful this season, they are going to need to give Robert Griffin III time in the pocket. That wasn’t the case versus the Detroit Lions on Thursday night.

— Pressured on six of his eight dropbacks, Robert Griffin III’s three incompletions came about by way of a dropped pass, a batted pass and being hit as he threw. His supporting cast ensured that aside from ball security (two fumbles — the primary reasons behind his -3.8 grade), there was little or nothing to draw from his performance.


Jay Gruden:

So far with Robert, unfortunately, as play callers we’ve done a poor job of getting our team into a rhythm. We haven’t got a first down and then followed up with a nice bootleg or something like that. We’ve just been first down, second down, third down, punt, it seems like it was against Detroit. It’s very necessary for us to try to get our offense moving positively a little bit to get us in a rhythm, we just haven’t been able to do that. Defense, give them a lot of credit. Detroit played great defense, pass rush. They stopped the run, made it very difficult on us. They were No. 2 ranked in the league last year for a reason. But we do have to compete a lot better than that with our ones.


I'm going to blame our local media for turning ~8 drop backs in a preseason game into referendum.

We're talking about a pre-season game where our 1st unit offense played the #2 ranked defense with a 3rd string LT and with an OT at TE. Where our QB, who to be sure made mistakes, but played under duress.

Cooley said yesterday that the fans and coaches have totally different ideas of how far the "last chance" goes. To the fans the RG "last chance" goes a few game into the season. To the coaches, between offseason workouts, mini-camp, etc the coaches have a plenty big enough sample size to make a decision on RG and likely already have made that decision. To the coaches the "last chance" is essentially over.

[redskinsfan1980]

Can we at least give this a chance to play a regular season game before end his career with the Skins?

[jamf]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

Can we at least give this a chance to play a regular season game before end his career with the Skins?

We have to but I don't think many people are optimistic about it.

This stuff is embarrassing.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

Can we at least give this a chance to play a regular season game before end his career with the Skins?

Thing is this isnt just about a few plays against the Lions, this is about everything we have seen since 2013. Lets not pretend he has not been given an opportunity.

[Flyer97]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

Can we at least give this a chance to play a regular season game before end his career with the Skins?

I concur wholeheartedly. One real lousy outing that wasn't entirely his fault(although he does have some blame for it) and everyone is thinking whether we should try and trade him. Gruden knows that Robert isn't going to last this season and is playing nice. I think he anticipates Robert going down. Face it, if Robert gets past week 1 it will be just short of a miracle, but if the line steps it up it might not be so bad. I say relax and just see how it plays out. Why bitch and moan about something that really in all honesty doesn't affect us in the least. Win or lose, unless you are gambling, to quote Bill Murray in Meatballs "It just doesn't matter!!!!!!! It just doesn't matter!!!!!".