Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[30gut]

Griffin turning his career around is inextricably linked to Jay's relationship with him and Jay's belief in Griffin as well as Jay's own improvement as a HC-playcaller.

If Jay doesn't have more faith in Griffin then he did last year then its only a matter of time before Jay is gonna want someone else in there.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Griffin turning his career around is inextricably linked to Jay's relationship with him and Jay's belief in Griffin as well as Jay's own improvement as a HC-playcaller.

If Jay doesn't have more faith in Griffin then he did last year then its only a matter of time before Jay is gonna want someone else in there.

thats an interesting take 30. You are not the only one that feels that way. I dont want to put words in your mouth but i hear the occasional radio called say some variance of "jay needs to call the same plays for RG3 that he does for cousins or mccoy".

i guess the counter argument is that through practice, film study etc, jay doesnt think RG3 can handle the same play calling .. that RG3 needs first read only looks and cant handle going through multiple progressions or being asked to read both sides of the field etc ...

should Counsins and RG3 have the same playcalling? identical or just some wrinkles specific to what each player does well?

i personally think like the seeming majority here, RG3 just doesnt have the fundamentals of pocket passing to execute a pocket passing/timing offense ....... but im starting to think maybe he should be forced to run the same play calling and see what happens.

or jay has called the same plays in certain games and RG3 just didnt excel .. he has had some dud games.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

thats an interesting take 30. You are not the only one that feels that way. I dont want to put words in your mouth but i hear the occasional radio called say some variance of "jay needs to call the same plays for RG3 that he does for cousins or mccoy".

i guess the counter argument is that through practice, film study etc, jay doesnt think RG3 can handle the same play calling .. that RG3 needs first read only looks and cant handle going through multiple progressions or being asked to read both sides of the field etc ...

should Counsins and RG3 have the same playcalling? identical or just some wrinkles specific to what each player does well?

i personally think like the seeming majority here, RG3 just doesnt have the fundamentals of pocket passing to execute a pocket passing/timing offense ....... but im starting to think maybe he should be forced to run the same play calling and see what happens.

or jay has called the same plays in certain games and RG3 just didnt excel .. he has had some dud games.

There is no way in the world that he should be calling the same plays. If so, that means we need a new OC (or in this case... HC). Would anyone in their right mind call the same plays for Micheal Vick that they would call for Tom Brady (not saying we have a QB of that caliber, just an example)?

A play caller needs to understand the strengths of who he is calling the game for, otherwise they are a terrible play caller. If RG3 cant succeed based on an offense that is being called to his strengths, move on to Cousins or McCoy. But dont dare call the same plays regardless, that just means you cant figure out someone strengths or weaknesses, which means you shouldnt have that job in the first place.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

There is no way in the world that he should be calling the same plays. If so, that means we need a new OC (or in this case... HC). Would anyone in their right mind call the same plays for Micheal Vick that they would call for Tom Brady (not saying we have a QB of that caliber, just an example)?

A play caller needs to understand the strengths of who he is calling the game for, otherwise they are a terrible play caller. If RG3 cant succeed based on an offense that is being called to his strengths, move on to Cousins or McCoy. But dont dare call the same plays regardless, that just means you cant figure out someone strengths or weaknesses, which means you shouldnt have that job in the first place.

I agree 100%

[30gut]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

...I dont want to put words in your mouth but i hear the occasional radio called say some variance of "jay needs to call the same plays for RG3 that he does for cousins or mccoy".

You raise an interesting question and i'm always down to discuss tangents, even if they aren't my topic. So I agree with you that Jay shouldn't call the same plays for Griffin as he does for Colt/Kirk.

There are several differences between those QBs and a smart OC/playcaller/gameplanner should mold their plans around a given QBs specific skillset. So sure there are some play concepts that are universal. But the plans should cater specifically to mobility, arm strength, ability to read the field, ability to consistently execute rhythm drop back passing concepts. Colt and Kirk are more experienced in a rhythm drop back passing game. Griffin has greater arm strength and mobility. To speak in general terms one would think a 'Griffin' gameplan would be similar to a Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Alex Smith, Chip Kelly style gameplan and Kirk/Colt gameplan could be more traditional drop back WCO ala Andy Dalton or Ryan Fitzmagic etc.

[irish]

[QUOTE=30gut;1115158]Griffin turning his career around is inextricably linked to Jay's relationship with him and Jay's belief in Griffin as well as Jay's own improvement as a HC-playcaller.

If Jay doesn't have more faith in Griffin then he did last year then its only a matter of time before Jay is gonna want someone else in there.[/QUOTE

Its not a matter of time, Jay already wants someone else in there. But like Solid Snake said, RG is Snyder's guy so Jay's hands are tied.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by irish

Its not a matter of time, Jay already wants someone else in there. But like Solid Snake said, RG is Snyder's guy so Jay's hands are tied.

I just don't believe that is true anymore.

Quite frankly, I think that (1) As of now, RGIII is still DS's guy; (2) If RGIII had had full seasons and off seasons up to this point and was still benched at the end of the year, he would no longer be DS's guy; (3) Given the particular facts of his acquisition, his career to date (including his 2012 season, his injuries & the coaching changes), and his athleticism & physical talents, RGIII has been given the benefit of doubt by DS and others up till now; and (4) RGIII will not be DS's guy to the tune of his 5th year extension unless he shows real improvement this year.

[irish]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I just don't believe that is true anymore.

Quite frankly, I think that (1) As of now, RGIII is still DS's guy; (2) If RGIII had had full seasons and off seasons up to this point and was still benched at the end of the year, he would no longer be DS's guy; (3) Given the particular facts of his acquisition, his career to date (including his 2012 season, his injuries & the coaching changes), and his athleticism & physical talents, RGIII has been given the benefit of doubt by DS and others up till now; and (4) RGIII will not be DS's guy to the tune of his 5th year extension unless he shows real improvement this year.

I do.

!) Agree. 2)Who knows since RG didnt play. Also see NC Skins response. 3) You dont give up the world for a guy and not give him every benefit of the doubt. The Skins are doing what any team would. 4) Time will tell.