Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I don't understand why the notion persists that Dan Snyder is actively meddling in the game time personnel decisions when it comes to Griffin.

Last season Dan didn't prevent Jay from benching him either.

The fact that Jay wanted to start Kirk Cousins at the beginning of last season is all you need to know that Dan Snyder does have a hand in these types of things. Sure he was allowed to bench him after Gruden made it obvious to them via game film that he was clueless back there.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The fact that Jay wanted to start Kirk Cousins at the beginning of last season is all you need to know that Dan Snyder does have a hand in these types of things. Sure he was allowed to bench him after Gruden made it obvious to them via game film that he was clueless back there.

First of all its not a fact that Jay wanted to start Kirk last year. Let's get that straight before we have this discussion. A fact like that requires proof.

So you can't prove that Dan meddles based on a fiction that you invent.

Now with that cleared up let's discuss what actually was reported last year during training camp. Chris Russell reported that Jay and McVay were frustrated and impatient with Griffin early during camp. Now, let's stop and think about that for a second. A HC was hired and I'm sure one of the expressed or implied task was to develop the franchises most important asset: Griffin, a potential franchise QB. If Jay was already frustrated at that start of training camp I have 2 issues with that:
- i would be troubled that in the light of all of the media leaks from the previous HC that Jay already failed to keep team business in house
-second I could give a rats ass that Jay felt frustrated, he's not the first coach to frustrated with a QB and certainly won't be the last. He's the head guy for a reason and being able to coach and manage players, especially the QB is his job. And maybe he wouldn't be frustrated so quickly if he hired a complete coaching staff that included a QB coach and a more experienced OC

So for me Jays early impatience and frustration aren't dings against Griffin; in my eyes their dings against Jay.

And IF your previous fiction was true and Jay did want to start Kirk then it would be no surprise that Griffin struggled. I'm mean do you think a player can have success with HC-playcaller that doesn't believe in them/want them as a starter? And further IF Jay did want to start Kirk over Griffin then it would make me question the pretenses under which he was hired if he is ready to move on from one of his biggest tasks so quickly.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

First of all its not a fact that Jay wanted to start Kirk last year. Let's get that straight before we have this discussion. A fact like that requires proof.

So you can't prove that Dan meddles based on a fiction that you invent.

I'm almost positive that Smoot said last year that Jay wanted to start Kirk coming out of training camp and eluded to the hand being forced. (via Dan through Bruce)

Originally Posted by 30gut

And IF your previous fiction was true and Jay did want to start Kirk then it would be no surprise that Griffin struggled. I'm mean do you think a player can have success with HC-playcaller that doesn't believe in them/want them as a starter? And further IF Jay did want to start Kirk over Griffin then it would make me question the pretenses under which he was hired if he is ready to move on from one of his biggest tasks so quickly.

The fact is, Griffin has had very little pro-style offense experience is why he struggled, not Gruden's faith in RG. Shanahan said it would take years for him to become acclimated to it since he missed out of it during college. It's why Kirk looks a lot more comfortable in the offense than Griffin.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm almost positive that Smoot said last year that Jay wanted to start Kirk coming out of training camp and eluded to the hand being forced. (via Dan through Bruce)

That my qualify as a "fact" to you but it doesn't even come close to factual to me and I'm guessing it doesn't for most people.

And again even IF your "fact" were true it should be disconcerting that your new HC clearly was never on board with developing the franchise QB. You think Jay would have been hired if his plan consisted of moving on from Griffin prior to the season even starting?

I find it odd that you dont view your notion that Jay wanted to play Kirk and not Griffin an indictment upon Jay.

The fact is, Griffin has had very little pro-style offense experience is why he struggled, not Gruden's faith in RG.

Again your statement above is not a fact.

The fact is football assessment seldom lends itself to simple soundbite analysis. There is rarely 1 "reason" for the success or failure of a play, player, coaching staff or season.

Was Griffin's inexperience in a rhythm drop back passing offense part of his struggles? Sure.

But the playcalling, game plan and coaching also played a role in his struggles. After all Griffin was even less experienced as rookie but was better as a rhythm drop back passer in that system then now. Heck, no QB was less 'prp-style' then Cam and look what he did as a rookie. I bring those up only to remind us that Griffin's performance or any player for that matter is tied to the quality of the coaching. Jay maybe unable or unwilling to coach anything other then his system.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

But the playcalling, game plan and coaching also played a role in his struggles.

How?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

How?

Are you asking specifically how Jay's/staff playcalling, gameplan and coaching impact Griffin's performance or general 'how'?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Are you asking specifically how Jay's/staff playcalling, gameplan and coaching impact Griffin's performance or general 'how'?

Yea. How did it impact Griffin?

Not having a QB coach was a big mistake, hopefully the new guy can make a difference.