Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Playcalling:
-inefficient playcall relay method--from Jay to McVay to Griffin
-predictability/lack of disguise; giving away tendency based on formation e.g. Trips w/ TE iso=pass almost 100%, base personnel I-form is almost always a run etc
-inconsistent playcalling rhythm, didn't set things up-this could be because 2 different people (Jay/Sean) both call plays (Jay himself confirmed that both he and Sean calls plays)
-not having faith in the QB e.g. vs 49ers called 2 QB draws and a WR throwback
pass on 3rd down

Gameplan:
-not enough commitment to the run
-too much straight drop back passing
-not enough comeback/stop routes
-not enough play-action
-not enough roll-out passes
-not enough sprint/motion passes
-not getting the ball to Garcon

Coaching:
-impatience with Griffin as early as training camp
-creating/adding to an circus atmosphere with his post game rant
-not being in sync with Griffin to create a gameplan that made him comfortable
-not having a QB coach
-going with a rookie OC created a staff devoid of experience and feedback
-not giving Morgan Moses help vs 49ers when he was playing LT

I think all of the above Jay/staff related issues played a role in Griffin's struggles.

strong list 30. You make good points re what the staff should have done but i wouldnt want to be a HC who has a QB so limited that he needs to run 1 read play calls and even then, the QB holds the ball until the receiver is open open. i dont think you can run a legit offense w RG3. not at this stage in his career at least. 2012 was genius and lightening in a bottle imo.

last year, a lot of ppl on here and talking heads on the radio didnt understand why Gruden didnt move the pocket, get RG3 rolling to his left. i remember hearing that every time RG3 rolled to his right it was a scramble and most times when he rolled to his left he would look pass-first. ( a quick search didnt bring anything up)

the play calling system has been cited as a reason why we are late getting to the line and then running out of time if the play call requires motions, shifts etc. for a guy like RG3 and w gruden knowing he struggles reading Ds pre-snap ... you would think giving him more time at the line would be a good idea.

"We’re very close mentally to thinking alike," Gruden said Tuesday. "When we put together a game plan and you have your third down situations, you can almost call them together."

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The coach continued: "It’s very important for us to be on the same page when we install and call plays. But we’ll both have input on game day like we do every game. Whether he calls 50 percent, I call 50 percent, he calls 80 percent or 20 doesn’t matter as long as we agree during the week."

Though only 29 years old, many view McVay as a football wunderkind. He has been in the game his whole life, and it's clear the strong relationship he has with players on the practice field. Gruden trusts him, too.

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detailed breakdown by plays. ive never seen this site before.

RG3 vs the Cowboys - 27/41, 336 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT

[30gut]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

strong list 30. You make good points re what the staff should have done but i wouldnt want to be a HC who has a QB so limited that he needs to run 1 read play calls

Is that hyperbole or do you really believe he needs '1 read play calls'? If you actually believe that then right off the bat I disagree with your assessment of Griffin. And sure IF Griffin was as limited as you believe then he shouldn't be in the league, and he sure as heck wouldn't have won rookie of the year.

i dont think you can run a legit offense w RG3. not at this stage in his career at least...

Personally I don't think Griffin can succeed with Gruden as his HC/playcaller; that is why I thought the FO should have traded Griffin while he still had some trade value. But, the question of whether or not Griffin can run a 'legit offense' I think Griffin would fit just fine in any number of offenses: Philly, Seattle, Carolina, 49ers (previous), Maimi, KC, Vikings and others given time.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Personally I don't think Griffin can succeed with Gruden as his HC/playcaller; that is why I thought the FO should have traded Griffin while he still had some trade value. But, the question of whether or not Griffin can run a 'legit offense' I think Griffin would fit just fine in any number of offenses: Philly, Seattle, Carolina, 49ers (previous), Maimi, KC, Vikings and others given time.

"Given time" is the key. I don't think he could run any of those offenses tomorrow with any degree of success. How much time is reasonable at this point. Further, in each of those offenses, other than Seattle and SF - which have / had dominant defenses and run games, the QB must still drop back, make & be patient with his reads, get his timing right, and feel pressure. RGIII simply does not and has not ever demonstrated consistent ability in any of those phases. His only success has come in a limited offense where he was generally required to make one or two reads.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

"Given time" is the key. I don't think he could run any of those offenses tomorrow with any degree of success. How much time is reasonable at this point?

Not to mention that all of those offenses already have QB's who performed better than RGIII did last season.

Which NFL team might actually pick him up and start him? I ask that question because Robert isn't going to get any better by sitting on the bench. Unless someone can think of a team that is dying to have him as their starter, he must succeed here.