Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[KI Skins Fan]

I think you're putting the cart before the horse. If RGIII goes out and stinks up the joint, why should Jay Gruden have any confidence in him? IMO, Griffin first has to show significant improvement in games.

You can quote all the football analysts in the world on this point and I'll just tell you that I think they're wrong. There are lots of successful people who believed in themselves when nobody else believed in them.

I don't think that RGIII expects Jay to believe in him before he has shown Jay how much he has improved. I also think it's ridiculous of the analysts you quoted to even vaguely suggest that RGIII needs his HC to believe in him before he has earned that trust.

Nope, don't try to put the responsibility for RGIII's success or failure on Jay. It seems to me that Jay is doing everything he can to help RGIII be successful. RGIII's actual on the field performance will determine his future and, when he is on the field, it is in RGIII's hands alone.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I think you're putting the cart before the horse. If RGIII goes out and stinks up the joint, why should Jay Gruden have any confidence in him? IMO, Griffin first has to show significant improvement in games.

You can quote all the football analysts in the world on this point and I'll just tell you that I think they're wrong. There are lots of successful people who believed in themselves when nobody else believed in them.

I don't think that RGIII expects Jay to believe in him before he has shown Jay how much he has improved. I also think it's ridiculous of the analysts you quoted to even vaguely suggest that RGIII needs his HC to believe in him before he has earned that trust.

Nope, don't try to put the responsibility for RGIII's success or failure on Jay. It seems to me that Jay is doing everything he can to help RGIII be successful. RGIII's actual on the field performance will determine his future and, when he is on the field, it is in RGIII's hands alone.

If thats the case, then developing players would never happen. It is the job of the coaches to build up players and put them in positions to succeed. If that player still fails, then move on. What you are describing is a scenario where coaches dont matter. Where we can describe Jim Zorn and Joe Gibbs as equals, since its up to the players to succeed despite their coach. Im willing to go out on a limb and say that a lot of players succeeded because of Joe Gibbs. Not because Joe Gibbs wrote them off and they succeeded anyways.

Why should Jay have confidence in RG3?... Because he is the HC and no other reason. If a coach says to himself that Im going to let the players fail because its not my job to help them succeed, then he shouldnt be a coach.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

If thats the case, then developing players would never happen. It is the job of the coaches to build up players and put them in positions to succeed. If that player still fails, then move on. What you are describing is a scenario where coaches dont matter. Where we can describe Jim Zorn and Joe Gibbs as equals, since its up to the players to succeed despite their coach. Im willing to go out on a limb and say that a lot of players succeeded because of Joe Gibbs. Not because Joe Gibbs wrote them off and they succeeded anyways.

Why should Jay have confidence in RG3?... Because he is the HC and no other reason. If a coach says to himself that Im going to let the players fail because its not my job to help them succeed, then he shouldnt be a coach.

I wrote this in my post: "It seems to me that Jay is doing everything he can to help RGIII be successful." Did you miss that part?

This discussion isn't about developing a player. The player is being well-coached. This is about the supposed need for the HC to "believe" in a player who has been the starting QB for three seasons and has not performed well for the last two seasons. I say at this point it's up to that player to show the HC something he can believe in - that is, some on the field results of the coaching he's received. Then, perhaps the coach can start to believe in him. That is, if the coach doesn't already believe in the player which is something only the coach can truly know.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I wrote this in my post: "It seems to me that Jay is doing everything he can to help RGIII be successful." Did you miss that part?

This discussion isn't about developing a player. The player is being well-coached. This is about the supposed need for the HC to "believe" in a player who has been the starting QB for three seasons and has not performed well for the last two seasons. I say at this point it's up to that player to show the HC something he can believe in - that is, some on the field results of the coaching he's received. Then, perhaps the coach can start to believe in him. That is, if the coach doesn't already believe in the player which is something only the coach can truly know.

He is being well coached... now. And he is showing improvement. Enough improvement to keep him around in the future? That will only be shown during the real games. But to say Jay did everything to help him when he didnt even hire a QB coach in year one is laughable. I personally think Cavanaugh is having the biggest impression on RG3, not Jay. I think not having a QB coach has affected both RG3 and KC, since KC, in year 4, seems to be the same player he was as a senior in college.

And I still say its not up to the players to show the coach anything before the coach tries. The coach should be trying regardless. If it doesnt work out, move on, but the coach has to try regardless otherwise he is a failure of a coach. Some players will never get it, but the coach has to put in the time anyways. Why? Because they are getting paid millions per year to do just that.

I am expecting Jay (or any coach for that matter) to try to put the players in the best possible scenario to succeed. Again... If the player still fails, move on, but try first. Its his job to do that regardless.