All Arrington All The Time (Mega Merge Club Mix)

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Sociofan

I don't know. Lavar said that he and the coaches aren't even really talking with one another about this. The Redskins organization made a substantial financial commitment to him which tells me that they see him as an integral part of their team. How can coaches just refuse to communicate with an integral part of the team? I guess we as fans can only speculate, but this just does not smell right.

I wonder if Lavar has found a plasma tv at his doorstep yet?

[Sociofan]

Awww man. That's just not funny, so I shouldn't be laughing.

[Sociofan]

Curmudgeon, I don't think this is about Gibbs versus Williams. I think it's more about what has happened that Williams has lost faith in Lavar. If you have a 3 time Pro Bowler in his prime sitting on the bench, aren't you at least intrigued by what might happen when you put him on the field healthy?

I think we are all just curious about WHY Lavar is not getting the snaps we all think he's earned.

[Kevikazi]

I remember seeing Gregg Williams pulling LaVar out of Dallas game after just 2 plays. Williams made some kind of "cut-throat" gesture to say "You are done playing." I just get the feeling that LaVar is unable to play within Williams' scheme.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by Kevikazi

I remember seeing Gregg Williams pulling LaVar out of Dallas game after just 2 plays. Williams made some kind of "cut-throat" gesture to say "You are done playing." I just get the feeling that LaVar is unable to play within Williams' scheme.

Kevikazi - I did not see that during the Dallas game, but if this is in fact the case it would explain a lot of things as towards why LaVar is not playing.

I listened to the AM980 broadcast, and I was impressed by LaVar and how he is handling things. I hope he has the fortitude to make it through this, in the end he will be a better player if he can fit into Williams' scheme.

[Daseal]

Me too, Kev. I simply think Arrington wants to be the star and that doesn't include buying into the scheme and playing his part no matter how large or small. I think he wants sacks from an upright position and bonecrushing hits on RBs. Problem is, he can be caught out of position (over-runs the play) and burned. So I can understand why he's off.

The problem is -- he's not going anywhere. Personally, I would have traded him before giving him that ridiculously huge contract because I feel his contributions aren't worth a portion of our cap that large.

[memphisskin]

I think Lavar just wants to help us win, when I read his comments I heard a guy frustrated that he hasn't been able to do more to help the team win but a guy ready and willing to do just that.

As for the rumor about his unwillingness to play special teams, I know at least one punter who would argue with that. Once LA hits the field, the opponents will pay. I don't know what it is, my only hope is to see Lavar back on the field knocking qbs into retirement. that's it.

[sportscurmudgeon]

I am absolutely positive that this is not an issue between Gibbs and Williams. And I'm equally positive that Gregg Williams could care less if LaVar Arrington ever starts another game for the Redskins. Absent injuries forcing the situation, I believe that Arrington will be a spot player for the Skins as long as Williams is the defensive coordinator. And Williams will be the defensive coordinator as long as the defense is sound and he isn't moved up to a head coaching job somewhere. The only way he puts Arrington in the starting line-up and leaves him there is for Gibbs to order him to do that and I don't think that's gonna happen.

As I tried to portray in my "Imaginary Exercise" above, Joe Gibbs has no real motivation to overrule his defensive coordinator unless the defense comes apart at the seams. It hasn't and it will take more than one injury or two to make that happen.

People here have wondered why LaVar isn't getting the snaps that they believe he has earned. Here's the problem with that line of thinking:

Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams are the coaches now. What has LaVar earned during the tenure of this coaching staff? The answer is - - virtually nothing.

If you want to credit him with earning snaps because of what he did while Norv and Marty and OBC were here, then the starting line-up would alo include Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot and Patrick Ramsey. It doesn't because those "credits" don't carry over because those coaches aren't here to hand out playing time so all those past deeds - on losing teams in case you forgot.

Some players achieve so much for a franchise that they are indeed immune from being benched at some point in their career. John Elway comes to mind; Brett Favre certainly fits that description; Dick Butkus was irreplaceable; Terry Bradshaw couldn't be benched after 4 Super Bowls. LaVar Arrington is a physically gifted football player, but he ain't anywhere near that status yet and is not likely ever to get there.

So, now Arrington has to convince Gregg Williams that he (LaVar Arrington) can be more productive as a LB in Williams' defensive system than Warrick Holdman and Chris Clemons and - for all I know - Zak Keasey too. I'm not saying Keasey is the better LB, but maybe Gregg Williams thinks he is? I don't read minds so I don't know...

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I am absolutely positive that this is not an issue between Gibbs and Williams. And I'm equally positive that Gregg Williams could care less if LaVar Arrington ever starts another game for the Redskins. Absent injuries forcing the situation, I believe that Arrington will be a spot player for the Skins as long as Williams is the defensive coordinator.

I'm curious as to what prompts this certainty? Maybe I'm just out of the loop here, (and I know I haven't seen him in practice or anything) but has LA really done anything that we, you or anyone else knows of to merit being benched no matter what his capabilities are? We're not even talking about realizing potential, we're talking about a perrinial pro-bowler, who has been the leader of our Defense and the Face of the Team...probably the best OLB in the league today.

Everyone talks about him freelancing, but what the hell man, back a couple of years ago, someone had to go make a f'ing tackle. God knows even with Trotter, Armstead, Wilkinson, Stubblefield, Bailey, Gardner, Lang.... we sucked on Defense and he came up with big plays when we needed him to.

I refuse to believe that its beyond him to comprehend or physically preform what is asked of him. ST (even though I love the guy) can't even say his goddamn alphabet, and LA is a chess player.

I'd like to think that it only has to do with him not being able to put in the time in the offseason and its only a matter of time before he works his way back into the lineup. Everyones making it out to be a personal thing, but he has never let anything contractual come in the way of his playing/practicing, and he seems to have an all class attitude no matter what comes his way. (True Redskin Behavior?) He was excited about being signed for the rest of his career to this city when we were a joke of a franchise and other players were crawling their way out.

GW didn't start Taylor at the beginning of last season because he missed time in the offseason, even though Taylor looked like a super-stud in the preseason. I'm seriously hoping its the same type situation and that he gets the chance to earn his job back and does so soon.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I'm curious as to what prompts this certainty? Maybe I'm just out of the loop here, (and I know I haven't seen him in practice or anything) but has LA really done anything that we, you or anyone else knows of to merit being benched no matter what his capabilities are? We're not even talking about realizing potential, we're talking about a perrinial pro-bowler, who has been the leader of our Defense and the Face of the Team...probably the best OLB in the league today.

Everyone talks about him freelancing, but what the hell man, back a couple of years ago, someone had to go make a f'ing tackle. God knows even with Trotter, Armstead, Wilkinson, Stubblefield, Bailey, Gardner, Lang.... we sucked on Defense and he came up with big plays when we needed him to.

I refuse to believe that its beyond him to comprehend or physically preform what is asked of him. ST (even though I love the guy) can't even say his goddamn alphabet, and LA is a chess player.

I'd like to think that it only has to do with him not being able to put in the time in the offseason and its only a matter of time before he works his way back into the lineup. Everyones making it out to be a personal thing, but he has never let anything contractual come in the way of his playing/practicing, and he seems to have an all class attitude no matter what comes his way. (True Redskin Behavior?) He was excited about being signed for the rest of his career to this city when we were a joke of a franchise and other players were crawling their way out.

GW didn't start Taylor at the beginning of last season because he missed time in the offseason, even though Taylor looked like a super-stud in the preseason. I'm seriously hoping its the same type situation and that he gets the chance to earn his job back and does so soon.

Amen. He at least deserves an explanation. I hope he is just being worked in.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Me too, Kev. I simply think Arrington wants to be the star and that doesn't include buying into the scheme and playing his part no matter how large or small. I think he wants sacks from an upright position and bonecrushing hits on RBs. Problem is, he can be caught out of position (over-runs the play) and burned. So I can understand why he's off.

The problem is -- he's not going anywhere. Personally, I would have traded him before giving him that ridiculously huge contract because I feel his contributions aren't worth a portion of our cap that large.

Pretty much nailed it D.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

Pretty much nailed it D.

WAY OFF DUDE!! dont you remember the way the organization hyped him up when they drafted him. The next LT, the next great thing. Dont you remember the LA thing, the #56 jersey they gave him on the draft stage. This is what they wanted him to be. Now all of the sudden, this is the wrong way to be. He is a team guy and will do anything they ask. If he goes to another team, the Redskins are making a mistake beyond measurement.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

WAY OFF DUDE!! dont you remember the way the organization hyped him up when they drafted him. The next LT, the next great thing. Dont you remember the LA thing, the #56 jersey they gave him on the draft stage. This is what they wanted him to be. Now all of the sudden, this is the wrong way to be. He is a team guy and will do anything they ask. If he goes to another team, the Redskins are making a mistake beyond measurement.

Sorry but I am dead on, the key word you used is HYPED, and that's exactly what I have been saying all along Lavar is a product of hype, he's a tremendous physical specimen, who really has no instinks as a football player.

Yes everyone in and out of the organazation has hyped Lavar since he's come into the league, and he hasen't remotly earned it, as far as the next LT? Let's not embarasse Lavar with that comparison, LT used to drive and knock offensive tackles on their a**, Lavar get's locked up by TE's, like any other LB.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

Sorry but I am dead on, the key word you used is HYPED, and that's exactly what I have been saying all along Lavar is a product of hype, he's a tremendous physical specimen, who really has no instinks as a football player.

Yes everyone in and out of the organazation has hyped Lavar since he's come into the league, and he hasen't remotly earned it, as far as the next LT? Let's not embarasse Lavar with that comparison, LT used to drive and knock offensive tackles on their a**, Lavar get's locked up by TE's, like any other LB.

WOW, are you serious. They way you are talking he never deserved the probowls? This guy has gone through new defensive coaches every year for the 1st 5 years he was here, and still went to the probowl in 3 of them. Lets not bash the guy for what they wanted him to be. He is not hype, and I dont think neither you or I can say what he has or lacks in "football instinks". This guy has played football his entire life, and we are chatting on a fan website, so lets be real. The man is in his prime, as far as his age, and went through a very bad injury to come back from. He has worked his tail off to be able to contribute to this team and I believe he should be given every opportunity to do so. Look at Urlacher, Zack Thomas, these guys have an injury and dont lose their jobs. I dont see how LaVar can lose his when he was injured. Do you honostly believe he has been given a chance to prove his ability in the defense?

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

He is a team guy and will do anything they ask. If he goes to another team, the Redskins are making a mistake beyond measurement.

I have been a Redskins fan since 1971 and if they trade Lavar i dont know what i'd do... to be honest... he's the Redskins best player hands down PERIOD!!!!