All Arrington All The Time (Mega Merge Club Mix)

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I believe they are keeping him healthy to trade him in the offseason.

BINGO......ding,ding,ding.......we have a winner!!

[Kevikazi]

Sportstalk 980 was playing a soundbite of Joe Bugel hinting LaVar is not playing because he is unable to play within the scheme. So far every game we've played was close and down to the wire. LaVar may make few spectacular plays but, one big play he's going to give up due to free-lancing will cost us a game. Therefore, I have no problems with coaches benching LaVar, but they should have told him why he's not playing. He deserves that much.

[jermus22]

Couldn't we trade Arrington for a first round pick from some other team? After seeing the way Bobby Engram played against us, I'd kind of like to try a trade for him and a first or second rounder. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about; somebody let me know.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by jermus22

Couldn't we trade Arrington for a first round pick from some other team? After seeing the way Bobby Engram played against us, I'd kind of like to try a trade for him and a first or second rounder. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about; somebody let me know.

engram looked better than he was cause a rookie was covering him instead of walt harris, and PP wasn't manning SS for us.

[jermus22]

Good points, but I've also heard good things about Engram over the last few years and he might be an excellent 2nd or 3rd receiver. Getting him and a high pick would be cool. Again, just speculation on my part.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Kevikazi

Sportstalk 980 was playing a soundbite of Joe Bugel hinting LaVar is not playing because he is unable to play within the scheme. So far every game we've played was close and down to the wire. LaVar may make few spectacular plays but, one big play he's going to give up due to free-lancing will cost us a game. Therefore, I have no problems with coaches benching LaVar, but they should have told him why he's not playing. He deserves that much.

So your saying Lavar free lances too much, and Sean Taylor doesn't? Don't agree. Sean and Lavar are very similar. Lavar is a team first guy and will do whatever the coaches tell him. Both are game changers. I just don't buy the freelancing argument.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by redsk1

So your saying Lavar free lances too much, and Sean Taylor doesn't? Don't agree. Sean and Lavar are very similar. Lavar is a team first guy and will do whatever the coaches tell him. Both are game changers. I just don't buy the freelancing argument.

Dude what are you talking about? Sean Taylor doesn't freelance at all. When people say Lavar is freelancing and not playing to the scheme, they mean that he will sometimes abandon the gap he's responsible for, abandon the lineman he's supposed to push back, or even abandon the receiver he's supposed to cover on occasion, all with the goal in mind of chasing the ball. In other words, he can't always be depended upon to hold containment. Sometimes the LB's job is to take on the pulling G or C and push him back at the point of attack so that others can swarm to the ball. Lavar just likes to chase the ball. He's like a labrador retriever on a tennis court. That's how the big plays happen, both for us and against us. Big plays and turnovers are key, but playing D as a team has to come first.

Sean Taylor does none of this. First off, his responsibilities are much different at safety. His first priority is to cover the deep ball. After that, he covers receivers as called by the defensive package. I've never seen Taylor flat out abandon those responsibilities. He has bitten on a few play fakes (Dallas last year, the Dallas flea flicker this year), but he doesn't leave one receiver to try to run across the field and jump somebody else's route. When there's a handoff, the job of the free safety is swarm to the ball. Nothing else. Taylor isn't there to keep containment like a LB is supposed to. He's supposed to just go lay wood. That's his job, and he does it quite well. Arrington ignores some of his responsibilities.

[skinsfan0201]

There are two sides to every story..... We don't know what is going on. I heard that because of Lavar's injury he did not participate in training camp which might have an influence on his playing during the season. Lavar is one of my fav players but whatever is going on with him and the Redskins organization has got to be worked out soon. I really hope they are not looking to trade him in the offseason, there is not much of a point.

[BleedBurgundy]

Does anyone seriously think that LaVar is going to change his style of play? This is the same guy who drove Paterno nuts with his freelancing and, surprise, he does the same thing in the pros. The NFL is not like the NBA, one great ATHLETE cannot just go and do their thing and be successful. They must play within the scheme. LaVar is probably my favorite player on the team, but he's not the team. If he's unable to do what he needs to to get on the field, why not trade him? I just think that time is getting short for #56 to show that he can just accept a role and adhere to a scheme.

[Schneed10]

And if he were a team first guy, he'd be willing to take on a kickout block and turn a RB back into the center of the defense instead of chasing the RB to the outside and letting him get the edge. He wants to make every tackle himself. It shouldn't matter who makes the tackle, if he turns a RB back into the center of the defense, and Lemar Marshall makes the tackle, Arrington should be happy. But that's not what he does.

[diehardskin2982]

Lets be serious and really think about this ladies and gentlemen.
Lets look back last season:
Redskins owner Daniel Snyder threatened Coles when the receiver's refusal to accept the trade without a contract extension thwarted the deal. "He said that if I stayed in Washington, he would turn me into another Terry Glenn," Coles said."He said he would send a flat-screen television to my home because I'd be better off watching the games there. That was his way of saying I'd be sitting for the next couple years until they cut me."

Arrington has an ugly dispute with the team over some money missing from his contract, he then goes and speak to the media during the offseason bad mouthing the team because of how they were treating his injury. Don't you think Snyder would be a tad bit pissed?

Ok ur probally saying, "Arrington and the team settled" "it's all good, right?" Wrong!! What is the best way Snyder can keep Arrington from getting his money? Keep him off the field! I know u all heard of the 70% snaps clause. The one that killed Winslows contract, yeah that one where u must be on the field 70% of the time to get a certaint amount of money. Well if it's in Lavar contract it doesn't look like he'll get it. Snyder will make his life hell as a Redskin. Maybe what Coles said was true, cause it seems to me that he is carrying it out on Lavar.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Lets be serious and really think about this ladies and gentlemen.
Lets look back last season:
Redskins owner Daniel Snyder threatened Coles when the receiver's refusal to accept the trade without a contract extension thwarted the deal. "He said that if I stayed in Washington, he would turn me into another Terry Glenn," Coles said."He said he would send a flat-screen television to my home because I'd be better off watching the games there. That was his way of saying I'd be sitting for the next couple years until they cut me."

Arrington has an ugly dispute with the team over some money missing from his contract, he then goes and speak to the media during the offseason bad mouthing the team because of how they were treating his injury. Don't you think Snyder would be a tad bit pissed?

Ok ur probally saying, "Arrington and the team settled" "it's all good, right?" Wrong!! What is the best way Snyder can keep Arrington from getting his money? Keep him off the field! I know u all heard of the 70% snaps clause. The one that killed Winslows contract, yeah that one where u must be on the field 70% of the time to get a certaint amount of money. Well if it's in Lavar contract it doesn't look like he'll get it. Snyder will make his life hell as a Redskin. Maybe what Coles said was true, cause it seems to me that he is carrying it out on Lavar.

I don't believe Snyder has that kind of say over Gibbs, we are not cutting him, possibly a trade is on the horizon, I say get rid of that contract, I said it before and I will say it again, Williams can easily replace lavars production, with minumum wage, or very reasonable type contract LB's, all Williams needs is an athletic guy and he will teach him the rest, his schemes will bring out the best in that player, and that's the problemn with Lavar, I believe he can't do it any other way than what he knows, and that's to use his athletism to chase people all over the field regardless of the problems he will create for the rest of the defense, and Williams won't stand for it. They are treating Lavar as a football player, and not a personality who should be played because all the media hype say's he should because he's a charasmatic personality, and he doesn't like it.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

I don't believe Snyder has that kind of say over Gibbs, we are not cutting him, possibly a trade is on the horizon, I say get rid of that contract, I said it before and I will say it again, Williams can easily replace lavars production, with minumum wage, or very reasonable type contract LB's, all Williams needs is an athletic guy and he will teach him the rest, his schemes will bring out the best in that player, and that's the problemn with Lavar, I believe he can't do it any other way than what he knows, and that's to use his athletism to chase people all over the field regardless of the problems he will create for the rest of the defense, and Williams won't stand for it. They are treating Lavar as a football player, and not a personality who should be played because all the media hype say's he should because he's a charasmatic personality, and he doesn't like it.

There may be truth in your forked tongue Kimosabe. I believe this is true. At the moment, Lavars continuing crime is his habit of airing dirty laundry in the media. CARDINAL SIN! For those of you Snyder conspiracy theorists, does it make sense to bench Lavar if he could help the team? Does it make sense to bench someone alleged to be so good as to help us to the Superbowl? (I think he is damn good as well) Does it make sense to save a few million ( in performance bonus) Snyder would forgoe the chance to win the bowl and reap many millions in additional revenue. Does any of that really make sense considering how much Snyder has been wiling to spend at every turn trying to win? NO! Williams has a problem with Lavar...... Probably, He can learn to change or learn to leave.

[MTK]

The Washington Times is already coming up with trade scenarios, LOL.

I agree with whoever said it's a long season, LaVar is going to get his chance again.

Maybe the team is gearing up to move on from LaVar and get out from under his monster contract. Or maybe Williams and co. are simply satisfied with the current lineup and LaVar hasn't earned his job back yet.

Either way it's hilarious how the media is running with this. I think we all just need to stay patient, hell LaVar is and he's the one that's directly effected by all this.

[kinobom]

"Either way it's hilarious how the media is running with this. I think we all just need to stay patient, hell LaVar is and he's the one that's directly effected by all this.[/QUOTE]

One nuanced point in this discussion is that the media is running with this and we all "Love" Lavar so much b/c he has been rammed down our throats for the last 4-5 years as "THE FACE" of the Redskins. The Mighty Synder pr machine has been in high gear over Lavar since he was drafted.

In all of these crazy up and down seasons we've always at least had Lavar to fall back on. I mean the man put the final nail in the coffin of G-aikman's career. I like Lavar, he is a beast on the field and I want him to play but I think this is kinda ironic that all the posters and jerseys and the team continually saying "Lavar, Lavar, Lavar" is backfiring on them to a degree. I mean the fans all love Lavar and they now want to know why the guy they love is no longer playing and the team keeps saying "Please don't notice the man behind the curtain!, Look we are 3-0"

BTW - Question. What are the cap ramifications if we do trade Lavar after this season? Can another team inherit /assume his cap hit from us or are we forever on the hook for x number of dollars for him depending on whether we release him before or after July.