Plusses and Minuses vs. Browns

[30gut]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

...Does anyone here agree with the author? I'm not smart enough to figure out why Kirk throws bad interceptions but I can clearly see that he knows the offense very well.

The author also mentioned that he thinks Kirk doesn't have a strong arm. Personally, I don't think I've seen him make a throw where I thought "Oh, not enough arm on that one". I feel like Kirk's arm is plenty strong enough.

I think Kirk's arm is plenty strong enough to make all the throws. He doesn't have 'plus' arm talent like Griffin but he's got more then Colt to be sure.

I agree with the author somewhat. I think he goes too far into the mind reading speculation of Kirk's decisions.

For me Kirk's issues boil down to this: decision making. I think the author rationalizes and speculates reasons for why you think Cousins makes decision X. Fact is unless you ask Kirk you can't know the 'why'. What you can see is that, when pressured and when the design of the play doesn't result in the primary receiver being open Kirk tends to force the ball. Or in other words Kirk has a hard time 'turning down' or 'moving on' post snap from what the play dictated pre-snap.

I would also add that Kirk, needs to improve on 3rd downs and in second halves.
But the 3rd down struggles weren't unique to him the passing game as unit struggled there, with McCoy actually performing the best.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

That is an interesting observation. Does anyone here agree with the author? I'm not smart enough to figure out why Kirk throws bad interceptions but I can clearly see that he knows the offense very well.

The author also mentioned that he thinks Kirk doesn't have a strong arm. Personally, I don't think I've seen him make a throw where I thought "Oh, not enough arm on that one". I feel like Kirk's arm is plenty strong enough.

1 - yes, i believe Kirk, after doing his pre-snap reads, predetermines where he is going to go w the ball. Cooley sd Kirk is too quick to decide who he is going to throw to and RG3 is too hesitant.

2 - yes, i think Kirk has an okay arm but sometimes you see kirk trying to muscle a throw and it rides up on him. he has an avg strength arm imo.

Film Breakdown: Kirk Cousins' 9 Interceptions in 2014

^^ this looks like a really good read. breakdown of kirk's 9 interceptions last year w quick video.

i was looking for the article that broke down when Kirk's ints happened = most of them happened when we were losing by more than 2 scores in the 2nd half.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Really, really good article about Cousins and one of the causes for his interceptions.

Hazard's Huddle: Kirk Cousins Colors Inside the Lines - Hogs Haven

The article is garbage. How many other teams throw back shoulder? A ton. We never do. KC made the play he was suppose to. This is the type of play where Griffin probably doesn't throw it or doesn't give the wr a chance to make a play. He'd would have got sacked on this play for slow decision making. The over anyalyzing is crazy. Just like the Grffin pass to Garçon. Ridiculous.

Also, I love how media/fans think KC's ceiling is done after 9 starts. That is also ridiculous.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Really, really good article about Cousins and one of the causes for his interceptions.

Hazard's Huddle: Kirk Cousins Colors Inside the Lines - Hogs Haven

Excellent read.

[MTK]

The author of the article gives him credit for making a nice play with the back shoulder pass. So what about it is garbage exactly?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The author of the article gives him credit for making a nice play with the back shoulder pass. So what about it is garbage exactly?

He says KC "struggles against starters." I believe that KC has top passing games in each of his three seasons ( Cleveland 12, Atlanta 13, Philly 14) despite not being the full time starter. He's making it sound like the guy is Cult Brennan. He's had plenty of success against full time starters. Sure he's had his struggles, like every QB that has 9 starts.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He says KC "struggles against starters." I believe that KC has top passing games in each of his three seasons ( Cleveland 12, Atlanta 13, Philly 14) despite not being the full time starter. He's making it sound like the guy is Cult Brennan. He's had plenty of success against full time starters. Sure he's had his struggles, like every QB that has 9 starts.

When you look at him preseason vs regular season, what other conclusion can one make?? Sure he's had some big games, he's also had some absolutely dreadful ones. Overall the article was pretty accurate and fair in pointing out what he does well and what he needs to improve on. I don't see where he's saying he can't improve, or comparing him to a scrub like Brennan.

[JoeRedskin]

So many folks have such strong opinions on their choice in the RGIII / KC issue it just blinds them to objective critique of either.

Whatev's ... haters gotta hat.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

So many folks have such strong opinions on their choice in the RGIII / KC issue it just blinds them to objective critique of either.

Whatev's ... haters gotta hat.

they're both bad.

do i win?

[WillH]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

So many folks have such strong opinions on their choice in the RGIII / KC issue it just blinds them to objective critique of either.

Whatev's ... haters gotta hat.

I believe it's hatters gotta hat.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

So many folks have such strong opinions on their choice in the RGIII / KC issue it just blinds them to objective critique of either.

Whatev's ... haters gotta hat.

I just need one of these guys to step on the field, show growth and lead this team. I don't care who it is...I just wanna win.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

When you look at him preseason vs regular season, what other conclusion can one make?? Sure he's had some big games, he's also had some absolutely dreadful ones. Overall the article was pretty accurate and fair in pointing out what he does well and what he needs to improve on. I don't see where he's saying he can't improve, or comparing him to a scrub like Brennan.

And this is my point. You could say this about every NFL starter in the NFL. They all "struggled" within those first two years of starting. Why would a 4th rounder be any different?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And this is my point. You could say this about every NFL starter in the NFL. They all "struggled" within those first two years of starting. Why would a 4th rounder be any different?

So how is is hating on the guy? Or comparing him to Brennan?

[Evilgrin]

Both are flawed, we may not have a decent QB on the roster.

[SmootSmack]

I've talked to several people in and around the organization about Kirk Cousins since I first heard at the 2012 Senior Bowl that there was interest in him and this is often a common concern. Excellent student of the game, a star in the film room. Knows exactly what he and everyone need to do and where to be. But he's so by the book that chaos (for lack of a better word) throws his game off.

This is one big reason why I just don't think he can ever be more than a reliable back-up/spot starter