Plusses and Minuses vs. Browns

[JoeRedskin]

Really, really good article about Cousins and one of the causes for his interceptions.

Hazard's Huddle: Kirk Cousins Colors Inside the Lines - Hogs Haven

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Really, really good article about Cousins and one of the causes for his interceptions.

Hazard's Huddle: Kirk Cousins Colors Inside the Lines - Hogs Haven

Yup that's Kirk in a nutshell.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Really, really good article about Cousins and one of the causes for his interceptions.

Hazard's Huddle: Kirk Cousins Colors Inside the Lines - Hogs Haven

This is the gist of the article: "That is what makes Kirk Cousins a frustrating player. He did absolutely everything you want from a quarterback. He read the coverage, identified the match-up, understood the concept of the play and why it was intended, he looked off the only possible help, but it was the FS who didn't do what he was "suppose" to do. Cousins only mistake was not recognizing that. He uses his mind for where he is going with the ball instead of his eyes. Before a play starts, he has an entire outline in his mind of where everyone on the field is going to be which is great for a quarterback but does a poor job with his eyes confirming it. That's why Cousins will sometimes throw that interception RIGHT to a defender because that's not where Cousins planned on him being, yet that is where he was located."

That is an interesting observation. Does anyone here agree with the author? I'm not smart enough to figure out why Kirk throws bad interceptions but I can clearly see that he knows the offense very well.

The author also mentioned that he thinks Kirk doesn't have a strong arm. Personally, I don't think I've seen him make a throw where I thought "Oh, not enough arm on that one". I feel like Kirk's arm is plenty strong enough.

[Alvin Walton]

Just watched the first half of this game on NFL network.

Matt Jones looked really good.

Roberts is a good receiver but suxxorz as a returner.

Morris looked good as usual.

The O line looked better than last year.

Our defense looked pretty vanilla but I liked Cullivers fire.
(and yea, a few of our #1 guys didnt play)

The Garcon drop was all on Garcon, Rod Gardner could have caught that ball.

Cousins looked pretty good.....against 2nd stringers.

If Griffins performance is a harbinger of the future I'll say he will not make it to the middle of the season.
Hes still getting hit way too much.
I'd almost be tempted to split all the first team reps between him and Cousins the rest of the preseason.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Good breakdown on RG3's performance, sorry if already posted

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nst-cleveland/

I went back and rewatched Griff's performance again to see if i judged him too harshly,dont think I did.All but one of his throws were safe easy completions.The one throw where he scrambled to his left and completed the off balance throw to Grant,I think he got lucky.I'm not even sure he was throwing it to Grant,there were 2 receivers right there,the underneath receiver would have been the better target,less chance for interception.He could have been throwing to the underneath rec and got lucky and hit Grant,who knows?
The first 3rd down throw he was locked onto 1 rec then threw it high.The 2 fade routes in the endzone werent even close.I hate that play,Griff rarely makes a good throw on a fade.Maybe thats why Jay called it twice,I dont know.On the 2nd fade he had an underneath rec open that would have least got a first down,but who knows,maybe he's committed to the fade no matter what just to work on that throw.
All in all,not a bad performance,just average.Same inconsistencies he's showed in past.Hopefully he improves.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

...Does anyone here agree with the author? I'm not smart enough to figure out why Kirk throws bad interceptions but I can clearly see that he knows the offense very well.

The author also mentioned that he thinks Kirk doesn't have a strong arm. Personally, I don't think I've seen him make a throw where I thought "Oh, not enough arm on that one". I feel like Kirk's arm is plenty strong enough.

I think Kirk's arm is plenty strong enough to make all the throws. He doesn't have 'plus' arm talent like Griffin but he's got more then Colt to be sure.

I agree with the author somewhat. I think he goes too far into the mind reading speculation of Kirk's decisions.

For me Kirk's issues boil down to this: decision making. I think the author rationalizes and speculates reasons for why you think Cousins makes decision X. Fact is unless you ask Kirk you can't know the 'why'. What you can see is that, when pressured and when the design of the play doesn't result in the primary receiver being open Kirk tends to force the ball. Or in other words Kirk has a hard time 'turning down' or 'moving on' post snap from what the play dictated pre-snap.

I would also add that Kirk, needs to improve on 3rd downs and in second halves.
But the 3rd down struggles weren't unique to him the passing game as unit struggled there, with McCoy actually performing the best.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

rumor is cooley is not an option

Definitely not a rumor, that is a full blown fact lol

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Really, really good article about Cousins and one of the causes for his interceptions.

Hazard's Huddle: Kirk Cousins Colors Inside the Lines - Hogs Haven

The article is garbage. How many other teams throw back shoulder? A ton. We never do. KC made the play he was suppose to. This is the type of play where Griffin probably doesn't throw it or doesn't give the wr a chance to make a play. He'd would have got sacked on this play for slow decision making. The over anyalyzing is crazy. Just like the Grffin pass to Garçon. Ridiculous.

Also, I love how media/fans think KC's ceiling is done after 9 starts. That is also ridiculous.

[MTK]

The author of the article gives him credit for making a nice play with the back shoulder pass. So what about it is garbage exactly?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

That is an interesting observation. Does anyone here agree with the author? I'm not smart enough to figure out why Kirk throws bad interceptions but I can clearly see that he knows the offense very well.

The author also mentioned that he thinks Kirk doesn't have a strong arm. Personally, I don't think I've seen him make a throw where I thought "Oh, not enough arm on that one". I feel like Kirk's arm is plenty strong enough.

1 - yes, i believe Kirk, after doing his pre-snap reads, predetermines where he is going to go w the ball. Cooley sd Kirk is too quick to decide who he is going to throw to and RG3 is too hesitant.

2 - yes, i think Kirk has an okay arm but sometimes you see kirk trying to muscle a throw and it rides up on him. he has an avg strength arm imo.

Film Breakdown: Kirk Cousins' 9 Interceptions in 2014

^^ this looks like a really good read. breakdown of kirk's 9 interceptions last year w quick video.

i was looking for the article that broke down when Kirk's ints happened = most of them happened when we were losing by more than 2 scores in the 2nd half.

[Evilgrin]

Both are flawed, we may not have a decent QB on the roster.

[SmootSmack]

I've talked to several people in and around the organization about Kirk Cousins since I first heard at the 2012 Senior Bowl that there was interest in him and this is often a common concern. Excellent student of the game, a star in the film room. Knows exactly what he and everyone need to do and where to be. But he's so by the book that chaos (for lack of a better word) throws his game off.

This is one big reason why I just don't think he can ever be more than a reliable back-up/spot starter

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've talked to several people in and around the organization about Kirk Cousins since I first heard at the 2012 Senior Bowl that there was interest in him and this is often a common concern. Excellent student of the game, a star in the film room. Knows exactly what he and everyone need to do and where to be. But he's so by the book that chaos (for lack of a better word) throws his game off.

This is one big reason why I just don't think he can ever be more than a reliable back-up/spot starter

If Andy Dalton , Matt Cassel and Nick Foles are starters in the NFL then so can Kirk Cousins. Not saying he can be top starter, I don't that's the case. But he can be a middle of the pack starter.

Right now I'm not sure Griffin can be a middle of the pack starter.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The author of the article gives him credit for making a nice play with the back shoulder pass. So what about it is garbage exactly?

He says KC "struggles against starters." I believe that KC has top passing games in each of his three seasons ( Cleveland 12, Atlanta 13, Philly 14) despite not being the full time starter. He's making it sound like the guy is Cult Brennan. He's had plenty of success against full time starters. Sure he's had his struggles, like every QB that has 9 starts.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Really, really good article about Cousins and one of the causes for his interceptions.

Hazard's Huddle: Kirk Cousins Colors Inside the Lines - Hogs Haven

Excellent read.