Plusses and Minuses vs. Lions

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

OL was just brutal, don't know how anyone can fairly judge Griffin with the way he was under constant and often instant pressure.

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?
This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?
Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.
This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.
I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?
This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?
Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.
This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.
I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

I am concerned that Kirk or McCoy will not get much time in the pocket if the line continues to play the way that they played yesterday. And this has nothing to do with RG3, the line was horrible yesterday period. No QB can be successful if they continue to play like this.

Maybe having Trent back will make a difference. Having this o-line play well is probably one of the more important pieces for the future of this team. They'll get tested next week against another top defense.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?

This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?

Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.

This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.

I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

Was Cousins or McCoy playing against #1's?

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Was Cousins or McCoy playing against #1's?

I'm not just talking about last nights game.Since Griff's 2nd yr this has been a pattern.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Was Cousins or McCoy playing against #1's?

I am the biggest RG3 homer there is. And I saw him get the snot knocked out of him last night. But why is it, when RG is knocked out of the game like last night, the next quarterback, whether Colt or Kirk immediately moves the offense with essentially the same personnel on both sides?

I mean it's like a switch is flipped, and things pretty much work. Or am I just not seeing it right?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

But why is it, when RG is knocked out of the game like last night, the next quarterback, whether Colt or Kirk immediately moves the offense with essentially the same personnel on both sides?

I mean it's like a switch is flipped, and things pretty much work. Or am I just not seeing it right?

Well its not the same personnel on both sides.(e.g. Ziggy Ansah only played 8 snaps and was dominant vs our OL)

Also the playcalling is different and Kirk/Colt are better rhythm drop back passers then Griffin is right now.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Also the playcalling is different and Kirk/Colt are better rhythm drop back passers then Griffin is right now.

Agree. The defense doesn't have to play straight up and can hedge against Griffin.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Agree. The defense doesn't have to play straight up and can hedge against Griffin.

Interesting opinion. From what I saw and have noticed, not just in preseason but as an overall tendency. Defenses react to formations and personnel. When we are running the ball with the 1st team we have been using run formations, under center with 1 TE, 2 RB, 2 WR.
Its even more obvious run when we bring in a OT at TE like we did early in the game. That's not the defense hedging against Griffin thats a defense reacting to obvious run tells.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Interesting opinion. From what I saw and have noticed, not just in preseason but as an overall tendency. Defenses react to formations and personnel. When we are running the ball with the 1st team we have been using run formations, under center with 1 TE, 2 RB, 2 WR.
Its even more obvious run when we bring in a OT at TE like we did early in the game. That's not the defense hedging against Griffin thats a defense reacting to obvious run tells.

Defenses hedge against Griffin regardless of the formation with pressure. They are committing guys to pressure the QB (admittedly some pressure comes without blitzing):

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2014 Pressure Plays: Quarterbacks

Last year Griffin faced pressure 29.6% of all plays, while Cousins was pressured on 17.6% of his plays.

Kirk ranked 3rd among QBs pressure rate while Griffin was 31st.

The reason for this is obvious. Griffin ranks 36th among QBs in the difference in production between pressured plays v non pressured plays. Cousins ranks 11th in the difference in production.

Griffin sucks at handling pressure.

Everything loosens up when a QB can burn a blitz.

Every 3rd and 8 pressure is coming against Griffin, it may or may not come against Cousins.

You're 100% right about tendencies and predictability from last year. In the 1st half especially, this formation and personnel meant this play and that formation meant that play. Hopefully that will change.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Was Cousins or McCoy playing against #1's?

I dont know if either one of them were but since you posted this and Ive been listening to the radio,I've heard people say it was the same people on defense and offense when Colt took over.
I'm sure VY2 wont play next week so we wont be able to evaluate him,but I would bet the line doesnt have the same problems next week.

Just heard on the radio Griff concuss not that bad,maybe he'll play next week,hope so,he needs the reps

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?
This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?
Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.
This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.
I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

He appears to have low pocket awareness and doesn't make those small moves well to avoid the rush that others do. You rarely see him side stepping
someone at the last instant, he just stands there and get creamed like he didn't see them coming.

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?
This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?
Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.
This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.
I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

That is a good point. Maybe the o-line is playing poorly but Griffin exacerbates its more so, tking a unit that plays at a 4 dragging them down to a 1?