Plusses and Minuses vs. Lions

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

assuming the play call is designed for a long pass play ... 5 step drop w pass pro knowing the ball will not come out right away.

if the play is not designed to give RG3 more than 3 seconds .. he cant be looking to make the big play.

He has to play within the system and what the other 10 guys on the field are expecting. Problem is he either doesnt understand the concepts or he just wants to play it his way.

on 3 step drops, we have consistently been told the QB is to plant his foot on step 3 and get rid of the ball quickly. I feel somewhat bad for RG3 last night bc he just hesitated a second after his 3rd step and then he would get hit.

on some plays his footwork was so bad you couldnt tell if he was doing a 3 step or a 1 step then shuffle.

RG3 cant look big play if the play call is a quick play. period.

I'm gonna disagree a little (shocking to those who know me - NOT). Once protection broke down, and the picture posted earlier shows a good clean point in time view. He is looking to run, but he could also scramble to his right and see if a receiver shakes his guy, letting someone else make a play. I think back to the Giants game in RG3 year 1, one of his signature plays at extending a play.

I just think he can't or won't be that guy anymore, and he can't or won't be a film-study student of the game type guy, and that leaves him as an indecisive hesitant backup kinda guy. And sadly, even moreso after last night , that's who I now see RG3 as.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I'm gonna disagree a little (shocking to those who know me - NOT). Once protection broke down, and the picture posted earlier shows a good clean point in time view. He is looking to run, but he could also scramble to his right and see if a receiver shakes his guy, letting someone else make a play. I think back to the Giants game in RG3 year 1, one of his signature plays at extending a play.

But we don't/can't know whether Griffin was looking to run or scramble to make an off-schedule or scramble play. There wasn't any receiver open for the 1st down so Griffin stepped up into open space looking to escape the pocket from there we don't know what he was gonna do scramble or run because he fumbled the ball.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 30gut

But we don't/can't know whether Griffin was looking to run or scramble to make an off-schedule or scramble play. There wasn't any receiver open for the 1st down so Griffin stepped up into open space looking to escape the pocket from there we don't know what he was gonna do scramble or run because he fumbled the ball.

ok, let's defend/debate an unknown decision because he could not do the function of holding on to the ball, in the start of his 4th year, after having fumbling issues in previous years.

At the game, and I know tv gives better views, I thought he was taking off to run. I think everyone around me thought he was taking off to run. Could he have pulled up, and thrown a beautiful lob to the wideout, I guess. But we will never know, because our 4th year starting qb could not hold onto the as he moved away from (as the Post article someone else linked to described it) "imaginary pressure".

edit: i must have lost the football in the one sentence. Unintentionally I assure you.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

At the game, and I know tv gives better views, I thought he was taking off to run. I think everyone around me thought he was taking off to run. Could he have pulled up, and thrown a beautiful lob to the wideout, I guess. But we will never know

So we agree? Sweet. We don't know either way. We know he left the pocket and fumbled. I grade him down for the fumble (or maybe you missed or are ignoring this?) but I don't grade him down for the decision to leave the pocket and try to make a play and maybe extend the drive over throwing a checkdown.

We can agree to disagree without all the other stuff.

Cheers.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 30gut

So we agree? Sweet. We don't know either way. We know he left the pocket and fumbled. I grade him down for the fumble (or maybe you missed or are ignoring this?) but I don't grade him down for the decision to leave the pocket and try to make a play and maybe extend the drive over throwing a checkdown.

We can agree to disagree without all the other stuff.

Cheers.

Cheers