Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[30gut]

^^^^Do you realize that video is from 2013?

SMH even when shown video of Griffin actually running R/O the perception that he won't/refuses/doesn't want to....persists.

Why people choose to believe Mike S revisionist history is beyond me.

[NC_Skins]

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

^^^^Do you realize that video is from 2013?

SMH even when shown video of Griffin actually running R/O the perception that he won't/refuses/doesn't want to....persists.

Why people choose to believe Mike S revisionist history is beyond me.

Good point on that being from 2013 but doesnt change the fact that he's still not that good,looks like he's regressed from 2013.
I dont think its revisionist history on Mike S.In that training camp and all off season the talk was on Griff becoming more of a pocket passer,yes he still ran the read option that yr but not near as much.I dont think anyones ever said they didnt run it anymore,if they did they dont know what theyre talking about.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Good point on that being from 2013 but doesn't change the fact that he's still not that good,looks like he's regressed from 2013.

Oh, I agree but that wasn't the point I was responding to with that video.
I was responding to the narrative become fact that Griffin refused to run read-option in 2013.
Which as per the video obviously isn't true.

I don't think its revisionist history on Mike S.In that training camp and all off season the talk was on Griff becoming more of a pocket passer,yes he still ran the read option that yr but not near as much.I dont think anyones ever said they didnt run it anymore,if they did they dont know what theyre talking about.

There is rhetoric and there is proof. Every QB wants to become more of a pocket passer but its a far cry to say that Griffin refused/refuses to run read-option when in fact he did actually run read-option.

And plenty of people have said and continue to say that Griffin refuses to and doesn't want to run read-option.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Oh, I agree but that wasn't the point I was responding to with that video.
I was responding to the narrative become fact that Griffin refused to run read-option in 2013.
Which as per the video obviously isn't true.


There is rhetoric and there is proof. Every QB wants to become more of a pocket passer but its a far cry to say that Griffin refused/refuses to run read-option when in fact he did actually run read-option.

And plenty of people have said and continue to say that Griffin refuses to and doesn't want to run read-option.

I dont know if people have said he refuses to,but its no secret that he doesnt want to.Him and his dad made that clear going into the 2013 season,hence thats what Shanny was eluding to in his interview.
As far as pocket presence goes,I've been complaining about it since 2013,its obvious he doesnt have it.It was on numerous scouting reports coming out of college{which I have posted before}
The pistol def helped mask that in 2012 and it wasnt an issue.Once the pistol started to be phased out and the knee injury took away his athleticism and confidence it became very apparent his pocket presence was for shit

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I dont know if people have said he refuses to,but its no secret that he doesnt want to.Him and his dad made that clear going into the 2013 season,hence thats what Shanny was eluding to in his interview.

As far as pocket presence goes,I've been complaining about it since 2013,its obvious he doesnt have it.It was on numerous scouting reports coming out of college{which I have posted before}

The pistol def helped mask that in 2012 and it wasnt an issue.Once the pistol started to be phased out and the knee injury took away his athleticism and confidence it became very apparent his pocket presence was for shit

Exactly. The Shanahans masked his short comings hence it was not a dang issue in 2012.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I dont know if people have said he refuses to,but its no secret that he doesnt want to.Him and his dad made that clear going into the 2013 season,hence thats what Shanny was eluding to in his interview.

Wait you did actually see him running read-option right?

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. Despite ACTUALLY BEING SHOWN ON FILM you're going off what Mike Shanahan said. SMH I don't know what to say. Its a no win situation. Lol, his dad.

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

far as pocket presence goes,I've been complaining about it since 2013,its obvious he doesnt have it.It was on numerous scouting reports coming out of college{which I have posted before}
The pistol def helped mask that in 2012 and it wasnt an issue.Once the pistol started to be phased out and the knee injury took away his athleticism and confidence it became very apparent his pocket presence was for shit

I would like to see these numerous college reports saying Griffin lacks pocket presence.

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Wait you did actually see him running read-option right?

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. Despite ACTUALLY BEING SHOWN ON FILM you're going off what Mike Shanahan said. SMH I don't know what to say. Its a no win situation. Lol, his dad.

I would like to see these numerous college reports saying Griffin lacks pocket presence.

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.

Am I in the drunk thread? I never said he didnt run it,just that him and his dad made it clear to whoever would listen he wanted to be a dropback passer going into the 2013 season,I never said he refused to run it or didnt run it,just that he let it be known he didnt want to run it.

As for the scouting reports,Ive posted them before 2 or 3 times,I dont feel like looking them up again,Im sure you can google RG3 college scouting reports and find them.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Am I in the drunk thread? I never said he didnt run it,just that him and his dad made it clear to whoever would listen he wanted to be a dropback passer going into the 2013 season,I never said he refused to run it or didnt run it,just that he let it be known he didnt want to run it.

I must be in the high thread then.

Okay lets try this then. Since I can't argue all the behind the scenes speculations.
Would you agree that its fair to say that however Griffin feels about read-option he will run in fact do it? As evidenced but him actually running read option in 2013 less then 8 months after reconstructive knee surgery?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 30gut

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.

I think the offense they ran in 2012 slowed the rush. When rushed, Griffin definitely took a lot of shots. But being in the pistol and faking the handoff on the zone read froze a lot of DEs. He wasn't under pressure as often, and he delivered the ball to the first read effectively.

But defenses caught onto the patterns that the Shanahans liked to run out of that formation, and they schemed to take away the first and second read.

Now of course Gruden is trying to take him in more of a traditional drop back QB. Maybe that's a mistake. But if Griffin were to keep running for 500+ yards per season I don't like his chances of staying healthy. And I'm not sure he's got the ability to become a drop-back QB. I'm just not sure about him at all.

But I'm hoping. Hoping hard for some signs of life this last season.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think the offense they ran in 2012 slowed the rush. When rushed, Griffin definitely took a lot of shots. But being in the pistol and faking the handoff on the zone read froze a lot of DEs. He wasn't under pressure as often, and he delivered the ball to the first read effectively.

I know and I agree. Read-option does a lot to slow down the rush. But, the OL still wasn't good that year and Griffin still performed well. Griffin was pressured on 35% of his throw which was top 10 in NFL. You know who was the TOP QB in terms of accuracy under pressure? Guess.
Rookies at the Top

If I gave everyone reading this a chance to guess the two most accurate quarterbacks under pressure, I’d bet a very small percentage would have come back with the right answer. Robert Griffin III and Ryan Tannehill are currently first and second, respectively, in Accuracy Percentage under pressure.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nder-pressure/

I know there is a lot of Griffin burying going on. I considered him buried a long time ago. But we gotta at least be accurate when burying the guy. Maybe it easier on some people to forget who good he was but to act like he lacked pocket presence in 2012 is going too far. Griffin stepped up, slide, side-stepped, scrambled and made plays. People are acting as if being under siege in the Lions preseason is the sum of his pocket presence. Its classic prisoner of the moment over reaction.

Also in case people are going attribute 2012 all to play action(pistol offense). Here are Griff's numbers without any play-action at all (drop back passing):

192/230--8 TDs--1 INT---66 comp%--1094 YDs-QB rating or 93.

Now of course Gruden is trying to take him in more of a traditional drop back QB. Maybe that's a mistake. But if Griffin were to keep running for 500+ yards per season I don't like his chances of staying healthy. And I'm not sure he's got the ability to become a drop-back QB. I'm just not sure about him at all.

But I'm hoping. Hoping hard for some signs of life this last season.

Griffin wouldn't even need to run for a lot of yards to be effective in zone-read. The Eagles have imo one of the best offenses in the league (i know, i know everyone here hates Kelly) and their QBs don't run for a ton of yards.

I think Griffin can become a rhythm drop back passer, I don't think WCO is the best fit for him because he's more of power thrower then a finesse thrower and I have even more doubts that Jay is the guy to turn him into a drop back passer.

I have no idea what Jay is trying to do this year. He hasn't shown anything with the 1st string offense. Its been the definition of vanilla. 1st down under center vanilla. But the 2nd-3rd unit playcalling has been more creative. Personally I don't understand nor agree with his approach to the preseason with the first unit.
But different coaches have different approaches to preseason.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Wait you did actually see him running read-option right?

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. Despite ACTUALLY BEING SHOWN ON FILM you're going off what Mike Shanahan said. SMH I don't know what to say. Its a no win situation. Lol, his dad.

I would like to see these numerous college reports saying Griffin lacks pocket presence.

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ml#post1095146