Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Lol, so now the narrative is that Griffin doesn't have pocket presence and its something that can't be improved?



Rolls eyes.



I call BS. It's all moot b/c I have long believed this marriage is gonna end soon.



But this narrative doesn't past the smell test. Griffin's 'lack of pocket presence' doesn't appear to be a cause of his struggles rather a symptom of his struggles with the offense.



No one every pointed to Griffin's pocket presence as an issue until he started struggling with the offense.



So my response to this latest narrative is (if you're gonna bench the kid just do it, let's end this bizzare spectacle where we pretend the HC supports Griffin.) My response is that Griffin had pocket presence and so IF he has lost it can be regained.

But pocket presence was not a big issue when he was running all over the place making people look silly. However as many people pointed out at the time (i was not one of them and not claiming to be one) he was going to get injured time and time again playing like that. It was only a matter of time before he had to adapt - and he does not have the natural ability or "talent" to do so. Sad but very very true. In response to your point about Griff having had the pocket presence in 2012. I dont believe he did. I believe though that it was masked by the playcalling. But that was like putting a band aid on a severe flesh wound.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

But pocket presence was not a big issue when he was running all over the place making people look silly....In response to your point about Griff having had the pocket presence in 2012. I dont believe he did. I believe though that it was masked by the playcalling.

You're contradicting yourself in your own post. First you say pp (pocket presence) was not a big issue then you turn around and say that you don't believe he had it in 2012. How can playcalling mask pp? Honest question. If its something you either have or you don't how can it be effected by external factors like playcalling?

But that[2012 offense] was like putting a band aid on a severe flesh wound.

This analogy shows you have very little understanding of how good the 2012 season was. If that offense is a band-aid its a band-aid that every single team in the NFL wish they could be doing.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You're contradicting yourself in your own post. First you say pp (pocket presence) was not a big issue then you turn around and say that you don't believe he had it in 2012. How can playcalling mask pp? Honest question. If its something you either have or you don't how can it be effected by external factors like playcalling?



This analogy shows you have very little understanding of how good the 2012 season was. If that offense is a band-aid its a band-aid that every single team in the NFL wish they could be doing.

In 2012 he did not have to stand in the pocket. Not sure where the confusion lies? Pocket passer vs read option?
Im not contradicting myself. I dont believe he had pocket presence (you said he had it before). I simply said his inability to play from the pocket was not an issue because he didnt really play from the pocket than. His inability to play from the pocket was masked by the play calling.
The Shanahans were catering to his strengths. One of those strengths was not pocket presence.
Edit: as for my band aid comment, i meant that in a long term way. As in the band aid being the read option and the flesh wound being Griffs inability to be a pocket passer. Of course the 2012 season was a great offense, but we all have seen what happened when the band aid came off. Griff got hurt and almost killed several times playing in that offense. We knew it wouldnt last, and here we are.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

In 2012 he did not have to stand in the pocket. Not sure where the confusion lies? Pocket passer vs read option?

Im not contradicting myself. I dont believe he had pocket presence (you said he had it before). I simply said his inability to play from the pocket was not an issue because he didnt really play from the pocket than. His inability to play from the pocket was masked by the play calling.

Of course he had to stand in the pocket. We didn't bootleg every play.

I don't mean in terms of rhetoric. Functionally how can playcalling mask lack of pocket presence? I am asking because the article put out the idea that pocket presence can't be improved. So how did this playcalling magically mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence enough to create to become one of the top offenses in the NFL? What did that playcalling do to mask it?

I would like to know where you're coming from.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You're contradicting yourself in your own post. First you say pp (pocket presence) was not a big issue then you turn around and say that you don't believe he had it in 2012. How can playcalling mask pp? Honest question. If its something you either have or you don't how can it be effected by external factors like playcalling?

This analogy shows you have very little understanding of how good the 2012 season was. If that offense is a band-aid its a band-aid that every single team in the NFL wish they could be doing.

Griffin is not the type of qb that can run for 850 yards and stay upright. He isn't built like Wilson and Newton. The offense had to change. 2012 was a nice season. Griffin executed a special offense designed for him. But people need to let it go and move on. That guy and that offense isn't coming back.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Griffin is not the type of qb that can run for 850 yards and stay upright. He isn't built like Wilson and Newton. The offense had to change. 2012 was a nice season. Griffin executed a special offense designed for him. But people need to let it go and move on. That guy and that offense isn't coming back.

Wilson probably isn't built for it either, he's 3 inches shorter and 22 lbs. lighter than RG3. He just does a better job at taking care of himself and has a better team around him.